Here's praying that everything goes well...

[right$pecial]

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.0.3482512506

Well, it appears we are winding things down in the god awful sand land. Hopefully, we won't have to backtrack again if everything goes to hell...well a worse hell...in a handbasket.

[MYCAR47562]

my brother is coming home july 15th for the final time, ill be happy to have him back in america and out of that hell hole.

now the political side, soverienty day... i know that is a good thing but is it just me or are they starting to make it sound like we were ruling them?

[right$pecial]

my brother is coming home july 15th for the final time, ill be happy to have him back in america and out of that hell hole.

now the political side, soverienty day... i know that is a good thing but is it just me or are they starting to make it sound like we were ruling them?

Well a lot of them do have that conception. I tried to put myself in their shoes one time to just see the other side of things and there are valid points.

1. If someone puts a tank on the neighborhood corner and tells me it is for my own good then there is a good chance that I would think they were full of shit...specifically a foreign power.

2. Their government has, in the past, made demands about the direction of their own country and we flat out told them no, so; they really haven't been, nor will be completely independent until we're gone.

Now, unbeknown to those in their country who agree with the above sentiments we actually do want them to be independent so we can stop pouring money and bodies into the black hole that is their part of the world. And Mycar, I hope your brother makes it home safe and has a relatively easy transition back to the real world.

[Remphoto]

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Security/?id=3.0.3482512506

Well, it appears we are winding things down in the god awful sand land. Hopefully, we won't have to backtrack again if everything goes to hell...well a worse hell...in a handbasket.

I agree, but seems as though many of the troops are being redirected to Afghanistan. Not entirely sure what that is all about other than to keep BO's campaign promise to catch Bin Laden (something GWB couldn't do of course). My son is heading over there with his SF unit next year -- hope it isn't a BO wild goose chase.

[synseer]

Well I suppose that is good news in a way. Course the real test will come when insurgents start playing hard ball...then we'll see how long they go before asking us for a "foreign military occupation" again. Hope that doesn't happen but that car-bomb explosion mentioned towards the end of the article is a good sign violence will persist despite they're so called "celebrations to mark the end of six years of foreign military occupation." And all those American vehicles they are riding around in...make no mistake, your tax dollars paid for them and now they are owned by the Iraqis...good, bad, indifferent.

[MYCAR47562]

Well a lot of them do have that conception. I tried to put myself in their shoes one time to just see the other side of things and there are valid points.

1. If someone puts a tank on the neighborhood corner and tells me it is for my own good then there is a good chance that I would think they were full of shit...specifically a foreign power.

2. Their government has, in the past, made demands about the direction of their own country and we flat out told them no, so; they really haven't been, nor will be completely independent until we're gone.

Now, unbeknown to those in their country who agree with the above sentiments we actually do want them to be independent so we can stop pouring money and bodies into the black hole that is their part of the world. And Mycar, I hope your brother makes it home safe and has a relatively easy transition back to the real world.

those are good point's we should really make effort's to let them know the american people do want them to be in control... we have no use with land over there

[right$pecial]

Yep, and I have a feeling that they'll get a lot more "freebies" when we leave. Why bother transporting that heavy million dollar humvee when we can just give it to our new best friends...who may or may not be strong enemies in 2-20 years no matter what we do.

[MYCAR47562]

your right,....right

[synseer]

You know...that was the running joke back at the five sided puzzle palace when I was working there. All this money thrown into programs to train, equip, structure, and support them was ungodly in the big picture but most people there had that feeling that one day we'd be back there fighting against them and everything we taught and gave them.

[MYCAR47562]

five sided puzzle?

[synseer]

five sided puzzle?

If you don't know...you don't know. :D

[MYCAR47562]

sorry i should have been able to figure that out, but i gotcha now

[MYCAR47562]

.... i am talking with my brother and he just told me he is still in baghdad...... what's up with that?

[synseer]

He could tell you...but then he'd have to kill you.

[MYCAR47562]

so you saying he's gonna come back and kill me?

[gtrman66]

five sided puzzle?

Pentagon.

Ooops, question already answered.

We trained these Taliban goofballs to fight Russia. It comes around.

I NEVER understood why we pour all this money in and do not demand it be repaid with Oil revenue.

[right$pecial]

.... i am talking with my brother and he just told me he is still in baghdad...... what's up with that?

Figures. I remember talking on the phone with my father late one night when he told me about how all the news agencies were talking about how peaceful the whole situation had become. While still on the phone we took indirect fire and I had to throw the phone down and throw on my gear. The two friends that I've seen in the last two months, who were on leave, told me that things have not improved yet we are allegedly pulling back. I don't know if pulling out is the right thing to do anymore, even though I am inclined to think that it is, but I am certain that our political reasoning for doing so is tragically flawed.

[Remphoto]

Beginning to remind me of our exit from Vietnam.

[MYCAR47562]

it is the right thing to do but you are right obama's reasoning is flawed

as long as the iragi goverment stands strong they will survive