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gtrman66
08-14-2009, 02:14 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/13/AR2009081302898.html?nav=rss_opinion/columns

The Great 'Prevention' Myth

...If you prevent somebody from getting a heart attack, aren't you necessarily saving money? The fallacy here is confusing the individual with society. For the individual, catching something early generally reduces later spending for that condition. But, explains Elmendorf, we don't know in advance which patients are going to develop costly illnesses. To avert one case, "it is usually necessary to provide preventive care to many patients, most of whom would not have suffered that illness anyway." And this costs society money that would not have been spent otherwise.

Think of it this way. Assume that a screening test for disease X costs $500 and finding it early averts $10,000 of costly treatment at a later stage. Are you saving money? Well, if one in 10 of those who are screened tests positive, society is saving $5,000. But if only one in 100 would get that disease, society is shelling out $40,000 more than it would without the preventive care.

That's a hypothetical case. What's the real-life actuality? In Obamaworld, as explained by the president in his Tuesday town hall, if we pour money into primary care for diabetics instead of giving surgeons "$30,000, $40,000, $50,000" for a later amputation -- a whopper that misrepresents the surgeon's fee by a factor of at least 30 -- "that will save us money." Back on Earth, a rigorous study in the journal Circulation found that for cardiovascular diseases and diabetes, "if all the recommended prevention activities were applied with 100 percent success," the prevention would cost almost 10 times as much as the savings, increasing the country's total medical bill by 162 percent. That's because prevention applied to large populations is very expensive, as shown by another report Elmendorf cites, a definitive review in the New England Journal of Medicine of hundreds of studies that found that more than 80 percent of preventive measures added to medical costs.
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The more I read by Charles Krauthammer, the more I like this guy.

Max
08-14-2009, 02:43 PM
Roy the problem is the entire plan is nothing more then a smoke screen to get socialized medicine. In the end there will be no savings, in fact cost may even double as the government which we know couldn't run a koolaid stand will drive the cost up. In the end this is just another case of getting the US taxpayer to shoulder even more burden of the facet of society that has no desire to work because our give away programs actually deter them from wanting to.

Al the Auto Mechanic
08-14-2009, 04:57 PM
I agree on the socialized medicine smoke screen.

I already hold health ins policy's beyond my major medical that pay for my annual check ups,physical,blood work,ex rays,cancer and my heart are all covered in this plan.
I hold accidental,long and short term disability and my wife holds the same through a different company than I have that our major medical through BC&BS recognizes by giving us a break on our deductible.
My wife and I will be 2 of the people that will suffer in 5 years or so if this bill is passed.
I'm really worried about this bill because I'm at the age when I need to start using some of the benefits of the premiums I've been paying all these years.
I don't normally go to a doctor unless I'm in an ambulance,but I'm so scared that I will be cut off that I'm getting as much medical attention as possible right now.Lately,I've been going to our family physician to keep on top of my health before I'm cut off.In fact,Monday I go in for removal of a tumor on my shoulder.
My wife has poor health and we don't have enough stuff to sell to maintain her health when we get cut off.

Remphoto
08-14-2009, 05:03 PM
Were doing the same al. Getting ct on my left wrist and anything else I can fixed before obamacare commences.

Al the Auto Mechanic
08-14-2009, 07:05 PM
Just in the past 2 weeks,I've sought legal council on how to prepare for my wife's care in the direct future.

Some might not agree w this but I want to learn how to get the ball rolling for her disability that we pay for and then file for Social Security disability.

This has been a hard decision,but I really don't know what to do,or how to do it.

I feel as lost in this situation as when my Mother passed away.

right$pecial
08-15-2009, 12:52 AM
Smoke screen. You can't make people take better care of themselves, force them to exercise, eat right, stretch, take vitamins, or in the diabetic's case take care of their feet, keep their blood sugar under control, or stay fit. What's the point of spending more money screening people who will still keep smoking while pregnant, eating divinity while diabetic, or getting hammered with liver problems. You'll just end up spending the money on the screening and, more than likely, spending most of the money on operations that you would have before.

Max
08-15-2009, 06:27 AM
Just in the past 2 weeks,I've sought legal council on how to prepare for my wife's care in the direct future.

Some might not agree w this but I want to learn how to get the ball rolling for her disability that we pay for and then file for Social Security disability.

This has been a hard decision,but I really don't know what to do,or how to do it.

I feel as lost in this situation as when my Mother passed away.

Al your correct to get your ducks in a row first. I don't think I was turned down on Jeannie's just because I was white, but I do think the interviewer looked at the fact that I am white and don't look poor and they weren't looking for a way to help but a way to deny. I was denied on the basis that we had too much to need assistance even though I thought this was money Jeannie had paid and not charity. The whole thing really changed the way I look at the money going to SS every week.

One thing that really did bother me other then being the only white and the oldest person out of almost 50 waiting was the fact that they had spanish written signs all over the place. I didn't know when spanish became our official language?

Al the Auto Mechanic
08-15-2009, 07:51 AM
I've been doing some reading on the SS system.Mostly from a person that is still employed in the system that claims he just wants to get the facts to us.
Congestive heart failure and leg disorders are the top contenders for getting approved the first time.It's a myth,that everyone is denied the first go around,but only 40% are approved the first time and this is a poor figure.
It looks as though everything is in her favor as far as up to date records,time and amount of payments into the system and the actual disability itself.
I would like to have her private disability policy take over while she applies for the SS.We have to have insurance and the disability should cover the premiums.I am choosing legal council for any conflict of interest between the SS and payed policy's.The legal council has a ceiling on the fee which is 25% and not to exceed $5450.00.
I personally had a case several years ago against the county in which I live for a severe back injury.The Lawyer that handled the case is a specialist in representing citizens in SS and cases such as mine was.This is the person I want to represent us in our matters.He is selective and he does the work himself,not an understudy that's learning the ropes.