mexican immigrants

[MYCAR47562]

http://www.thespectrum.com/article/20090909/OPINION/909090303/Mexico+is+outraged+over+influx+of+its+own+citizens
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Mexico is outraged over influx of its own citizens
September 9, 2009

The shoe is on the other foot, and the Mexicans from Sonora don't like it one bit. Can you believe the nerve of these people? It's almost funny.

The state of Sonora is angry at the influx of Mexicans into Mexico. Nine state legislators from the state of Sonora traveled to Tucson to complain about Arizona's new employer crackdown on illegal immigrants from Mexico.Â

It seems that many illegal immigrants from Mexico are returning to their hometowns, and the officials in the Sonora state government are ticked off about it. A delegation of nine state legislators from Sonora was in Tucson recently to say Arizona's new employer sanctions law will have a devastating effect on the Mexican state. At a news conference the legislators said Sonora, Arizona's southern neighbor comprised mostly of small towns, cannot handle the demand for housing, jobs and schools it will face as Mexican workers here return to their country without jobs or money.

The Arizona law, which took effect Jan. 1, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the United States. Penalties include suspension or loss of business licenses. Because more companies are complying, illegal immigrants are finding it more difficult to find work, so they are going home.

The Mexican legislators are angry because the influx of their own citizens is placing a burden on the state government.

"How can they pass a law like this?" asked Mexican representative Leticia Amparano-Gomez, who represents Nogales.

"There is not one person living in Sonora who doesn't have a friend or relative working in Arizona," she said, speaking in Spanish. "Mexico is not prepared for this, for the tremendous problems it will face as more and more people working in Arizona and sending money to their families, return to their hometowns without jobs."

"We are one family, socially and economically," she said of the people of Sonora and Arizona.

Wrong!

The United States is a sovereign nation, not a subsidiary of Mexico, and American taxpayers are not responsible for the welfare of Mexico's citizens. It's time for Mexico - and its citizens - to stop parasitically feeding off the United States and start taking care of its citizens' own needs.

I believe it's high time for all American states to pass a law like the one in Arizona. Perhaps that would solve many immigration problems that the U.S. Congress refuses to address.

Joseph Jerome is a resident of Parowan and a member of The Spectrum & Daily News Writers' Group.

[Max]

Stories like this are far too rare. I know on a ride around my Jeannie did when she went through public police schools for the paper the police explained to her on several stops that even if they knew they were not citizens and had no drivers license or insurance that they turned a blind eye. Seems that in some parts of town it would be almost every third car and took forever to do the paper work and they were back out of jail before the paperwork was even filed.

[right$pecial]

That's funny, I don't care who you are.

[synseer]

That is hilarious!

[Motive]

The Arizona law, which took effect Jan. 1, punishes employers who knowingly hire individuals who don't have valid legal documents to work in the United States. Penalties include suspension or loss of business licenses. Because more companies are complying, illegal immigrants are finding it more difficult to find work, so they are going home.


That's bad**** bout time someone near the border did this. Heard about some other town up North that cracked down like this, they got hammered by libs.

[Max]

On the news today was the local news going after an apartment complex because they made people prove they were legally here. Only in America do those following the law find themselves in trouble.

[Motive]

Thou shalt not question authority...unless they're Republican, or white.

[TaxmanHog]

Ariz. Sens. McCain, Kyl call for Guard on border (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j-v5V9gjYEwqgkn654wgQqu_x_rQD9F6DP4O0)
By JONATHAN J. COOPER (AP)

PHOENIX — After the shooting death of a rancher, Sens. Jon Kyl and John McCain once again called Monday for National Guard troops to be deployed along Arizona's border with Mexico.

The request for 3,000 troops was part of a 10-point plan that also includes hiring 3,000 more Customs and Border Protection agents for Arizona, building new fences along the border and increasing aerial surveillance........

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The beginings of a Martial Law :eek:

[cajun]

Mexico sure ain't happy, now who will "O"boy side with? Americans or Mexicans?



http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mexican-govt-slams-Arizona-apf-3656534841.html?x=0&.v=1

[MYCAR47562]

This is a perfect example of a liberal state, we can't support them so you had better. granted most of them are good workers but it is not our responsibility to find them jobs when so many of our own are out of work.

[Motive]

[URL="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j-v5V9gjYEwqgkn654wgQqu_x_rQD9F6DP4O0"]

The request for 3,000 troops was part of a 10-point plan that also includes hiring 3,000 more Customs and Border Protection agents for Arizona, building new fences along the border and increasing aerial surveillance........



Spend more money....why spend tax dollars, when levying fines on businesses that employ, house, feed, and give them cell phones would work much better.

You'll never cut off the supply, you have to cut off the demand, once people are too scared to be associated with them, they'll stop...so then, anyone near the border, trying to cross, is more likely to be doing so under malicious intent.

[gtrman66]

The beginings of a Martial Law :eek:

Nope, protecting the borders is in the Constitution. Keeping troops in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Germany, Japan, Phillipines, South Korea, etc... is not.

[gtrman66]

In the Yahoo article...
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mexican-govt-slams-Arizona-apf-3656534841.html?x=0&.v=1

Count the number of times "illegal" is used..... nope, nada, nothing, 0
Count "undocumented"... 2

Words matter. They are here illegally and that makes them criminals regardless of why, how long, etc.

[Motive]

Maybe, next time I get pulled over I'll say I was only going the "undocumented" speed.

[LittleAl]

does anyone know what the actual procedure is to get on the path to citizenship?

my nephew's wife is from South America and was born here while her mother was illegally here back in the 70's. her mother made a plea back then to let her stay in the US with her "citizen child" and got a resident alien (green) card.

her cousin (nephew's wife's), came here on a tourist visa (9 months I think) and just never left. that was 8 years ago. I told her she needs to go back, she refuses, we don't talk anymore. I'm almost tempted to turn her in but I'm sure it would do no good anyway.

back in the mid 80's I met a couple here from Israel on the same kind of tourist visa. while here he went around trying to find a business to sponsor him and he convinced an auto repair place to do so. at the expiration of their visa they went back to Israel and waited for paperwork, eventually everything went through and they were legally able to come back on a work visa, eventually they became citizens. it took maybe 9-10 years.about 2 years ago they moved & I lost contact with them.

I don't know the exact process but I'm curious. If that kind of process is still in effect and all those liberals say they are hard working, come here to take jobs Americans don't want, etc, etc. why can't they convince some US company to sponsor them and be here LEGALLY?

could it be the ones willing to go the legal path are the hard workers and most of the rest are freeloaders working in an underground economy?

[Motive]

They're undercutting the wages of the American workers.

Employers hire them, because they don't have to pay them as much, don't have to give them benefits, and can treat them as bad as they want...because "who are they gonna complain to?"

....if they get too outta line, they fire them and get the next one waiting for the chance to get some US cash to send back to Mexico.

My wife has a green card, and a work visa. I'm told it costs about $1500 in just paperwork to apply for a green card.

From my understanding, alot of illegals here, come on a visitation only permit, find work, and just never go back after it expires...

There's actually temp agencies, that specialize in illegal labor...those places need to be hammered, HARD.

Since being with my wife, my views have changed a bit on the whole situation. I still don't condone it, but I feel the companies that enable this to continue are the ones that need to be hammered over it.

They are willingly breaking OUR laws by providing work/wages, housing, etc...
They are American citizens and knowingly hiring illegal labor, to increase their bottom line, and as citizens should know better, and should be held accountable.

You can't leave a sandwich on the coffee table, then kick the crap out of the dog for eating it...shouldn't have left it there to begin with, it's just being a dog, and you can't blame a dog for being a dog...

People will always do exactly what you let them get away with.

[LittleAl]

I gotta disagree with you on this one.

the illegal problem begins with the criminals (all illegal entry people) breaking the law in how they come into, then stay in our country. We should not be putting business people in the position to be the ones enforcing our laws. that being said, of course businesses that break the law by hiring them ALSO need punishment just as the illegal does.

Listen I can have sympathy for people from horrible countries and their desire to come here, my grandparents came here too escaping from their country but they suffered through Ellis Island and other immense obstacles, legally.

my mother was 2 years old when their family (2 parents 6 kids) walked 2 days with everything they owned from the mountains of Italy to get a 45 day boat to the US, spent weeks at Ellis Island before being released. they lead a poor but happy life here because they felt they saved their children from Mussolini and they did. it wasn't easy, life isn't, but we cannot be the saviors of the world.
we send relief & money all over the world, and men & women to their deaths in wars to help save the worse off on the planet. we are a VERY generous nation but we just cannot save them all OR give them all a free ride here.

you may think I'm cruel but I'm not, just realistic

we cannot give blanket amnesty to the illegals here already, if you want to save the world change the immigration laws to make it easier to be/come here legally but as it stands these people are criminals and any change in the law will not, can not, be retroactive to forgive their crime. Every day they stay here makes them that much more a consistent, habitual, serial criminal

[TaxmanHog]

They're undercutting the wages of the American workers.

Employers hire them, because they don't have to pay them as much, don't have to give them benefits, and can treat them as bad as they want...because "who are they gonna complain to?".........

Of course they can not complain to anyone for fear of prosecution & deportation.
:gun:
When these businesses are discovered, they are turned into INS & IRS, and raided, the company is penalized, the CEO and responsible executives/owners are risking jail time.

[Motive]

Don't get me wrong, I don't believe those that are here illegally, should get amnesty. They need to be prosecuted, but for every one you deport, 10 more come here to take their place.

You're never going to solve the problem from the supply end...like any third world country, they breed, and breed alot. As long as there's a demand, there will always be ample supply in illegal labor.

I'm not saying American companies should enforce the laws. I'm saying they should ABIDE by them, and be held accountable, when they break them. They know it's illegal to hire them, yet they do so anyway.

I've seen cell phone businesses and car lots ADVERTISE no SSN requirements...right out in the open. I'm fairly sure there are plenty of apartment complexes in the "bad" neighborhoods that also don't require these things...as long as this is allowed to continue, we will continue to have illegals coming here for work.

[LittleAl]

I lived in Juarez Mexico for about a year. I understand their desire to come here, saw it, lived it first hand.

we used to call them wetbacks (do they still?) because they simply walked across the Rio Grand which in that area was just a muddy trickle. but over in El Paso Texas law enforcement would pick hundreds of them up daily and deposit them back at the border. you could actually see them from the customs stop, 100 yards away. they did it with impunity. I'm sure it hasn't changed all that much.

my solution? can you say electric fence?

[Motive]

Fences only work for those actually "swimming" the river. I believe more come by way of visas, and just don't go back, when they're supposed to...but I may be wrong.

Spending money on fences and more manpower just wastes our money, I don't think it will stop them...it would require a Berlin wall approach, I giant concrete wall with armed guards and bright lights... If that's the way you want to go about it.

Make companies scared to even be associated with them, take away their work, their housing, used cars, and cell phones, and they'd walk their own asses back acrossed the border, tell all of their friends, that the well's dried up, and not waste alot of taxpayer money in doing so.

[TaxmanHog]

The weasel immigration clearing houses, accountants, law firms & social advocates will find wrinkles in what ever we do, that's why I feel the Marshall law sensation coming on, we'll end up locking ourselves into Ivory towers of isolation.

[cajun]

But i thought they came here to do the work we won't do. You know drive trucks, stucco,carpentry,drywall, etc,etc.:rofl

[TaxmanHog]

They do and cheep asses are willing to turn a blind eye to the to get a gang of workers (skilled trades man & back breaking laborers) to do the dirty work that would otherwise cost lot's more if one hired bums from the domestic unemployment lines

[gtrman66]

I was in Idaho last year and there were a bunch of white people washing dishes, sweeping floors, hammering nails....

Pay a fair wage and those jobs might be taken up by the 10% of LEGAL Americans that are out of work right now.

[LittleAl]

maybe you missed it, i said ELECTRIC fences.

I'm done listening to the crap about low paying jobs & illegals doing the work Americans won't do.

we're spoiled. I'm 55 years old and been working 40+ hours a week since I'm 12 years old. I've never been out of work more then one day because I've taken anything to keep working & support myself and my family.

I know I take a hard ass attitude but I really believe in it.

ship them home and keep them out. I welcome the legal immigrants, they are what made America great and they will continue to do so.

[Motive]

The only jobs, I see them taking, is the "unskilled labor" jobs. The same jobs we had as teenagers, and the current "entitled" teens of today, turn their noses up at...

If I don't mow my own grass I pay a neighborhood kid to do it.....but they're getting harder to find...and wanting more money.

Just forcing employers to abide isn't gonna be enough, I think they'd ship all of the manufacturing jobs to China if they had to fire their illegals....gonna need to raise the import tax along with it.

[LittleAl]

so since we're on the subject,
I like what I see happening in AZ with their law that basically says they have to enforce existing laws (if the governor signs it today)
of course Obama has already said publicly that he has the DOJ looking into the constitutionality of the law.
I'm wondering by what authority?

The Constitution does not give the feds the authority to question the laws of individual states
of course what does that matter, it's only the Constitution, just an old piece of paper to Obama

[LittleAl]

I'm sure you all have it here, but just in case not, attached is a pdf file of the US Constitution and all 27 Amendments. I downloaded from the National Archives. I have cleaned out links only, all footnotes and the original words are there, un-altered.

I keep a printed copy with me most of the time. It's always shocking to me that most people really have no idea what's in it and when I whip it out in a discussion they can never seem to find what they "know" is in there.

[cajun]

I carry a copy in my truck, love to watch libs look for the seperation of church an state, they know it's in there. :rofl

[LittleAl]

really is amazing isn't it? US citizens with absolutely no idea what is (or isn't) contained in our Constitution.

It's funny though, the more liberal a person is when I show them something in it, the more they resort to statements like:

well it must have been taken out
well it SHOULD be in there
that's not the real Constitution, you deleted/changed/added stuff
it's not significant nowadays

I've even heard from supposedly intelligent people stuff like:
didn't Congress change most of that stuff
nobody can understand those kind of words anymore

the best one is when they see the short simple paragraph regarding the right to bear arms. they always expect it to be long and complicated.

I'm against guns personally but strongly defend our right to have them, hell it's right there clear as day. I'd like an Amendment to get rid of it but that won't happen so I'll live with it. it's a Constitutional right and reflects the will of the Founders AND the People otherwise it would have been amended.

[HoldHard]

the best one is when they see the short simple paragraph regarding the right to bear arms. they always expect it to be long and complicated.

I'm against guns personally but strongly defend our right to have them, hell it's right there clear as day. I'd like an Amendment to get rid of it but that won't happen so I'll live with it.Why would you want to get rid of the 2nd Amendment?

Just curious....

HH

[cajun]

Without the 2nd, you can rip up the rest. :gun:

[LittleAl]

I live in a big city (New York) and guns just don't work here.

maybe it's jealousy too. it's absolutely impossible to get a carry permit here and to even try cost 1000's of dollars, lawyers, etc, etc. Unless you're ex-law enforcement

I can see the need/desire for guns in rural areas but that can be taken up by state or local authorities. Of course temper what I say in that I don't think the Feds have any right to decide what happens within a state

[cajun]

I live in a big city (New York) and guns just don't work here.

maybe it's jealousy too. it's absolutely impossible to get a carry permit here and to even try cost 1000's of dollars, lawyers, etc, etc. Unless you're ex-law enforcement

I can see the need/desire for guns in rural areas but that can be taken up by state or local authorities. Of course temper what I say in that I don't think the Feds have any right to decide what happens within a state

You might be supprised, if your law abiding neighbors were armed. The crime rate may drop. The criminals are going to git theirs. So the only ones not armed is the law abiding citizen.

[Jeb]

Al, you have a good grasp of freedom! However, never, ever, forget that freedom was won by musket, kept by rifle and many brave men's blood! Without the 2nd Amendment we would all be bloody British or German! Today, we would be prisoners in our own homes. Hell, you guys pretty much are in the big cities! Where I live everyone owns numerous guns and are strong believers in "God and Guns!"

[Remphoto]

Watching the news right now and BHO's old stomping grounds, Chicago, is asking for the National Guard to come help with the gun violence. And this is in a city and state which rival New York for having the toughest gun laws in the nation. Lots of good gun laws are doing other than keeping law abiding citizens from carrying them. Typical Liberal thinking...

[HoldHard]

I live in a big city (New York) and guns just don't work here.

maybe it's jealousy too. it's absolutely impossible to get a carry permit here and to even try cost 1000's of dollars, lawyers, etc, etc. Unless you're ex-law enforcement

I can see the need/desire for guns in rural areas but that can be taken up by state or local authorities. Of course temper what I say in that I don't think the Feds have any right to decide what happens within a stateI live and work in the suburbs of Detroit. Remember when Detroit was the "Murder Capitol"? Well, no longer. This is why...

Michigan has had handgun registration that dates back to the 1920's (under the bull shite scheme of a "Safety Check") that was actually setup to prevent certain types of people (African-Americans to be specific) from getting guns.

We have worked for years to change the law and the Michigan Coalition of Responsible Gun Owners (MCRGO (http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/)) was the organization that applied political pressure to accomplish those changes. We were a "could issue" state similar to New York where you had to be connected to the legal system to get a carry permit. You had to obtain training, apply and then appear before a "gun board" and demonstrate need. The only valid "need" that they would consider was the transportation of cash and you had to prove it. Bank deposit receipts were required showing thousands of dollars of cash transactions. Even after all of that, if one of the three person panel decided you didn't "need" to carry, your training and application cost were down the drain. Sound familiar?

MCRGO worked very hard with gun clubs, the public and within the political machines to get rid of the state's Attorney General and replaced him with a more gun-friendly candidate. It worked. We used the democratic process to get where we are today, a "shall issue" state.

Were there setbacks along the way? You bet. Numerous defeats of legislation that were painful to watch (and fund). Remember, all this takes MONEY and lots of it. Gun stores got involved and those that supported MCRGO got my business and that of friends. Shops that didn't were confronted. People would go in, select a firearm and get to the point of paying for it and then ask about supporting MCRGO. If the shop didn't support the organization, the purchase was cancelled and they were told why. The smart business owners realized that it would benefit their bottom line to get on board and most did.

As of today, there are 225,760 Conceal Pistol License holders in the state. The crime rate, specifically the murder rate has fallen, dramatically.

We recently had a legally armed citizen stop and hold a bank robber until police arrived. That is how much it's changed. (Link (http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/dpp/news/local/good-samaritan-stops-bank-robbery-suspect) to the story).

What could you do in New York? Follow the pattern set by MCRGO. Get organized. Get serious. Start raising money to elect the right politicians and be prepared for the long haul.

Or you could move to Texas.... :D

HH

[Motive]

Problem is, you can't un-invent something...most of the criminals are already breaking the current gun-control "legislation".

Nothing is going to stop them from getting guns, getting rid of the 2nd, will only disarm the law abiding citizens...

"If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns"

[LittleAl]

i hear you guys on the gun control.

I know it was a long time ago but when I lived in Juarez and traveled into El Paso everyone there carried a gun. there was pretty much no street crime, just burglary.

NY State has strong but workable gun laws, it's New York City that's impossible.

Criminals will always have guns, it's part of what makes them criminals.

I don't begin to think I have any answers or solutions to gun control I can only state 2 things positively. I desire there to be no guns anywhere for any reason and the Constitution clearly states everyone can have one.

[MYCAR47562]

so after your time in el paso how can you say that you want us unarmed? is this one of those eagles song where we all sit down and sing kumbiya?

[LittleAl]

I guess because I've seen way too much gun violence first hand. I agree it was the criminal that started it in most cases. and just because i'm against guns in general don't think I'm a wishy washy liberal, I'm not at all.
years ago people used to think i was a liberal because i had long hair, smoked pot, did drugs & went to peace demonstrations. man did they have it wrong. I did drugs because i liked to get high and went to peace demonstrations because it was an easy way to get laid.
some of us actually were very strong Constitutional conservatives, as i still am today. Individual rights trump all, then States rights and the Federal government is way last



getting back to the original thread, how about this quote:

"If every state had its own laws, we wouldn't be one country; we'd be 50 different countries," said Thomas Saenz, president and general counsel of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund

now he REALLY doesn't get the point of the Constitution nor the basis on which we were formed.

[MYCAR47562]

I Know Your Not A Liberal I Was Just Trying To Add A Little Humor To My Question.

And I Know Your Trying To Steer Away From This Question I Just Don't Understand Sorry.

Those Rallys Make Really Good Sense Now, I Really Wish I Would Of Thought About That When I Was Single. As Far As Getting High Im Good But The Rest Sounds Like Fun

[MYCAR47562]

getting back to the original thread, how about this quote:

"If every state had its own laws, we wouldn't be one country; we'd be 50 different countries," said Thomas Saenz, president and general counsel of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Educational Fund

now he REALLY doesn't get the point of the Constitution nor the basis on which we were formed.

WELL WHY SHOULD THIS SUPRISE US? WE HAVE A COUNTRY COMPLAINING BECAUSE WE ARE TRYING TO KEEP IT'S CITIZENS FROM BREAKING OUR LAWS. THAT IN IT SELF IS BEYOND UNDERSTANDING FOR ME

[LittleAl]

I'm 55 years old. I grew up and spent most of my life in a "tough" neighborhood.

it's funny though, twice in my life I had a loaded put to my head, once by a cop and once by a drug dealer. neither was too much fun

as far as those rallys back in the day, damn they were cool...lol

[gtrman66]

Anyone catching the hypocricy?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100428/wl_csm/297614

Mexico City – As Mexicans decry the Arizona immigration law and launch boycotts of Arizona, Amnesty International released a scathing new report urging Mexicans to look in the mirror.

“Invisible Victims: Migrants on the Move in Mexico” details the abuse faced by Central American migrants, who cross the southern border between Guatemala and Mexico, usually en route to the US.

Each year, tens of thousands of migrants make the trip.

Many lose limbs from accidents on trains they board to head northward. Women and girls report sexual violence. And - far worse than asking suspected illegal immigrants about their US immigration status, as the new Arizona law will require police to do - many Central American migrants to Mexico accuse Mexican officials of demanding bribes or flat-out stealing their cash.

"Migrants in Mexico are facing a major human rights crisis leaving them with virtually no access to justice, fearing reprisals and deportation if they complain of abuses," Rupert Knox, Mexico Researcher at Amnesty International, said. "Persistent failure by the authorities to tackle abuses carried out against irregular migrants has made their journey through Mexico one of the most dangerous in the world."



And then you get this moron who is not a citizen (I wonder what Columbia does to illegal aliens... ummm, undocumented workers)?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100429/ap_en_ot/us_shakira_immigration_enforcement

"Shakira is deeply concerned about the impact of this law on hardworking Latino families," Nielson said. "She is coming to Arizona to try to learn more about how law enforcement is reacting to this new law and how we can ensure that people in the state of Arizona are not being targeted because of the color of their skin."

He said Shakira canceled other commitments to make the visit and also planned to meet with Hispanic families in Phoenix to see how they'd be affected by the law.

Nielson said Shakira also sought to meet with Brewer during her visit to Phoenix, but that the governor's director of scheduling told Nielson it wouldn't be possible because the governor was booked.

[cajun]

interesting what mexican law says....

At present, Article 67 of Mexico's Population Law says, "Authorities, whether federal, state or municipal ... are required to demand that foreigners prove their legal presence in the country, before attending to any issues."

[gtrman66]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/30/arizona-authorities-searching-deputy-shot-desert/

Illegals with AK47's. Just freaking great.

State and federal law enforcement agencies deployed helicopters and scores of officers in pursuit of the suspects after the deputy was shot with an AK-47 on Friday afternoon.
...
The Arizona Republic reported officials said more than one of the choppers came under fire during the manhunt.

[TaxmanHog]

Let the napalming begin

[TaxmanHog]

Racing today!

[Jeb]

Go fast dude!

70% of Az citzens want this law!:gun: So, you want to know why! Az is the number one state in the US for kidnapping and they have seen many children taken, molested and many more crimes committed by illegals! It is not a coincidence that Mexico City holds the world record for kidnapping and blackmailing and as the same people enter into Az it happens there too!

Of course the Mexican President has to stop this from catching on in the whole nation for one simple reason...and that is $$$,$$$,$$$.$$$! You see three streams of cash goes to Mexico from American tax payers. One is the direct cash we give their country as we do with every other so-called poor countries. The second is the cash that flows from illegals back to their relatives which accounts for the 2nd largest GDP producer. After the money they make for oil, second comes cash from our economy. The third way is through the billions that flows from our bums on welfare, UC, Food Stamps, etc., to the purchase of dope, drugs, and many other underground economic goods (knock offs), which flow back to Mexico and Columbia.

[Motive]

Wife says there's big time gang wars going on in Mexico right now...between that, and the cartels (completely different war going on), I see NO reason, not to start hammering down, and asking questions.

She said one of the gangs down there, took a high school hostage. Stating, if any of the Mexican Army shows up, they'll kill every kid in the building....no Army showed up, but they killed a bunch of kids anyway.

If some people get sand in their vagina over some day laborers getting asked for documents, too f'in bad. Alot better than letting these Mexican gang bangers bring their wars up here.

[TaxmanHog]

A friend of mine opined, the need of our country to secure it's borders or mitigate the adjacent risks, his proposal, bring home the troops from Europe, middle east & Asia. station them along our borders south & north. Shoot on sight & eliminate the the illegal border crossings.

Option two, again with our repatriated forces, invade and take possession of Mexico, put the corrupt government & drug lords out of their misery, set up a new government, change their laws & rebuild strengthen the economy such that they want to stay home in the state of ~Old Mexico~

[nelson]

Thanks for posting the Constitution, LittleAl.

Groups are gearing up against the new Arizona legislation. They just can't bear for America to take control of it's borders. Huffington Post has several obviously emo-manipulative (and ridiculous) takes:

Peaceful Revolution:Arizona's New Immigration Law and the "92 Percent Situation"
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mary-olivella/ipeaceful-revolutioniariz_b_563267.html

...what's not being adequately covered is the impact on Latino children...

...civil rights abuses in the name of immigration law enforcement...

Relative to white children, Latino children are more than twice as likely to grow up in low-income families.

For us to excel as a nation, we need all of our country's children, including Latino children, to be operating at their full God-intended capacity.

Arizona Ethnic Studies Classes Banned, Teachers With Accents Can No Longer Teach English
http://www.huffingtonpost.com//2010/04/30/arizona-ethnic-studies-cl_n_558731.html

Arizona's recent pattern of discriminatory education policies is ironic -- and is likely a function of No Child Left Behind funding requirements...

Arizona Dumped Racial Profiling Back on the Nation's Table
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/arizona-dumped-racial-pro_b_562679.html

Enforcement efforts are not aimed at illegal immigrants from Canada, Europe, Asia, the Caribbean or even other Latin American countries. The target is illegal immigrants from Mexico...

Don't try to read those articles on a full stomach... you're likely to vomit.

These people will use any emotion they can to goad us all into entitling lawbreaking immigrants to benefit from the hard work of American taxpayers.

People who legally immigrate to this country encounter massive layers of bureaucracy and many obstacles.

I've spoken at length about this with one girl in particular. She despises the "other" America. She asked me why we make it so hard for her, a white immigrant from Ukraine, to come to the USA. This girl only has her green card right now, but she talked about mounds of paperwork she and her sponsor had to produce, the interviews, the many requirements, the large amounts of money it has cost, the years that have passed, and the tests she will have to take to finally achieve citizenship.

She said she hates the stupid Americans who make it so hard for her to do this legally, but at the same time make it so easy for illegals to come here - provided they are the right skin-color, which she says is "anything but white."

She says America is indeed a racist country - racist against white immigrants - because we open the flood gates to anyone who is non-white.

[Motive]

My wife came here legally (from Mexico), and has a green card, she too went through alot of paperwork and money to do so. Kind of a kick in the **** that she went through all of that, when others are just skipping on over, and getting all, if not more, of the benefits of living here.

I work with a Cuban guy, who won a lottery to come here legally, he had to pay the equivalent of 7 years in wages to come here and handle the paperwork involved. He's a citizen now. He loves this country, and hates socialism...he was also schooled in Russia for 5 years (during the cold war), so he's got a pretty good taste of both, and prefers Capitalism.

Another guy I work with, wanted to get married to a Mexican woman, and had to do all of that paperwork before getting her into the country, he said he ended up spending quite a bit of cash, and about 6 months to do so. Since INS is always suspicious that people are just using marriage to get into the country.

[Rainrider]

Mexico sure ain't happy, now who will "O"boy side with? Americans or Mexicans?



http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Mexican-govt-slams-Arizona-apf-3656534841.html?x=0&.v=1

Get serious! Has he ever supported America on anything?

[Remphoto]

Let Me See If I Got This Right.


If You Cross The North Korean Border Illegally You Get 12 Years Hard Labor.

If You Cross The Iranian Border Illegally You Are Detained Indefinitely.

If You Cross The Afghan Border Illegally, You Get Shot.

If You Cross The Saudi Arabian Border Illegally You Will Be Jailed.

If You Cross The Chinese Border Illegally You Most Likely Never Be Heard From Again.

If You Cross The Venezuelan Border Illegally You Will Be Branded A Spy And Your Fate Will Be Sealed.

If You Cross The Cuban Border Illegally You Will Be Thrown Into Political Prison To Rot.
If You Cross The Mexican Border Illegally You Will Be Jailed And Deported Within 24 Hours.

If You Cross The U.s. Border Illegally You Get
• A Job,
• A Drivers License,
• Social Security Card,
• Welfare,
• Food Stamps,
• Credit Cards,
• Subsidized Rent Or A Loan To Buy A House,
• Free Education,
• Free Health Care,
• A Lobbyist In Washington
• Billions Of Dollars Worth Of Public Documents Printed In Your Language
• The Right To Carry Your Country's Flag While You Protest That You Don't Get Enough Respect In This Country
• And, In Many Instances, You Can Vote

I Just Wanted To Make Sure I Had A Firm Grasp On The Situation

[HoldHard]

HATS OFF TO CHARLIE DANIELS....AT LEAST HE HAS THE COURAGE TO SPEAK HIS MIND!!!

I don't know how everybody else feels about it, but to me I think Hispanic people in this country, legally or illegally, made a huge public relations mistake with their recent demonstrations.

I don't blame anybody in the world for wanting to come to the United States of America , as it is a truly wonderful place.

But when the first thing you do when you set foot on American soil is illegal it is flat out wrong and I don't care how many lala land left heads come out of the woodwork and start trying to give me sensitivity lessons.

I don't need sensitivity lessons, in fact I don't have any-thing against Mexicans! I just have something against criminals and anybody who comes into this country illegally is a criminal and if you don't believe it try coming into America from a foreign country without a passport and see how far you get. What disturbs me about the demonstrations is that it's tanta-mount to saying, "I am going to come into your country even if it means breaking your laws and there's nothing you can do about it."

It's an "in your face" action and speaking just for me, I don't like it one little bit and if there were a half dozen pairs of gonads in Washington bigger than English peas it wouldn't be happening.

Where are you, you bunch of lily livered, pantywaist, forked tongued, sorry excuses for defenders of The Constitution? Have you been drinking the water out of the Potomac again? And even if you pass a bill on immigration it will probably be so pork laden and watered down that it won't mean anything anyway Besides, what good is another law going to do when you won't enforce the ones on the books now?

And what ever happened to the polls, guys? I thought you folks were the quintessential finger wetters. *Well you sure ain't paying any attention to the polls this time because somewhere around eighty percent of Americans want some thing done about this mess, and mess it is and getting bigger everyday.

This is no longer a problem, it is a dilemma and headed for being a tragedy. Do you honestly think that what happened in France with the Muslims can't happen here when the businesses who hire these people finally run out of jobs and a few million disillusioned Hispanics take to the streets?

If you, Mr. President, Congressmen and Senators, knuckle under on this and refuse to do something meaningful it means that you care nothing for the kind of country your children and grand-children will inherit. But I guess that doesn't matter as long as you get re-elected. Shame on you. One of the big problems in America today is that if you have the nerve to say anything derogatory about any group of people (except Christians) you are going to be screamed at by the media and called a racist, a bigot and anything else they can think of to call you.

Well I've been pounded by the media before and I'm still rockin' and rollin' and when it comes to speaking the truth I fear not. And the truth is that the gutless, gonadless, milksop politicians are just about to sell out the United States of America because they don't have the intestinal fortitude to stand up to face reality.

And reality is that we would never allow any other group of people to have 12 million illegal in this country and turn around and say, "Oh it's ok, ya'll can stay here if you'll just allow us to slap your wrist."

And I know that some of you who read this column are saying "Well what's wrong with that?" I'll tell you what's wrong with it. These people could be from Mars as far as we know. We don't know who they are, where they are or what they're up to and the way the Congress is going we're not going to.

Does this make sense? Labor force you say? We already subsidize corporate agriculture as it is, must we subsidize their labor as well? *If these people were from Haiti would we be so fast to turn a blind eye to them or if they were from Somalia or Afghanistan? I think not.

All the media shows us are pictures of hard working Hispanics who have crossed the border just to try to better their life.
They don't show you pictures of the Feds rounding up members of MS 13, the violent gang who came across the same way the decent folks did. They don't tell you about the living conditions of the Mexican illegal some fat cat hired to pick his crop.

I want to make two predictions.

No. 1: This situation is going to grow and fester until it erupts in violence on our streets while the wimps in Washington drag their toes in the dirt and try to figure how many tons of political hay they can make to the acre.

No. 2: Somebody is going to cross that border with some kind of weapon of mass destruction and set it off in a major American city after which there will be a backlash such as this country has never experienced and the Capitol building in Washington will probably tilt as Congressmen and Senators rush to the other side of the issue.

I don't know about you but I would love to see just one major politician stand up and say, "I don't care who I make mad and I don't care how many votes I lose, this is a desperate situation and I'm going to lead the fight to get it straightened out." I don't blame anybody for wanting to come to America , but if you don't respect our immigration laws why should you respect any others?

And by the way, this is America and our flag has stars and stripes, Please get that other one out of my face.

God Bless America

Charlie Daniels

[TaxmanHog]

Amen. :gun:

[LittleAl]

the descriptive (and true) phrase I apply to illegal aliens is:

serial criminals

every day their here they repeatedly break the law.
serial rapist
serial killer
serial mugger
serial illegal alien

all repeat offenders
all criminals
all "serial" law breakers

[Rainrider]

Let Me See If I Got This Right.


If You Cross The North Korean Border Illegally You Get 12 Years Hard Labor.

If You Cross The Iranian Border Illegally You Are Detained Indefinitely.

If You Cross The Afghan Border Illegally, You Get Shot.

If You Cross The Saudi Arabian Border Illegally You Will Be Jailed.

If You Cross The Chinese Border Illegally You Most Likely Never Be Heard From Again.

If You Cross The Venezuelan Border Illegally You Will Be Branded A Spy And Your Fate Will Be Sealed.

If You Cross The Cuban Border Illegally You Will Be Thrown Into Political Prison To Rot.
If You Cross The Mexican Border Illegally You Will Be Jailed And Deported Within 24 Hours.

If You Cross The U.s. Border Illegally You Get
• A Job,
• A Drivers License,
• Social Security Card,
• Welfare,
• Food Stamps,
• Credit Cards,
• Subsidized Rent Or A Loan To Buy A House,
• Free Education,
• Free Health Care,
• A Lobbyist In Washington
• Billions Of Dollars Worth Of Public Documents Printed In Your Language
• The Right To Carry Your Country's Flag While You Protest That You Don't Get Enough Respect In This Country
• And, In Many Instances, You Can Vote

I Just Wanted To Make Sure I Had A Firm Grasp On The Situation

Would be funny as hell, but I'm paying for it!

[Motive]

Got this in an email today:

MOVING TO MEXICO
Dear President Obama:


I'm planning to move my family and extended family into Mexico for my health, and I would like to ask you to assist me.

We're planning to simply walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and we'll need your help to make a few arrangements.

We plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws.

I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here. So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Calderon, that I'm on my way over?

Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.

2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.

3 Please print all Mexican government forms in English.

4. I want my grandkids to be taught Spanish by English-speaking (bi-lingual) teachers.

5. Tell their schools they need to include classes on American culture and history..

6. I want my grandkids to see the American flag on one of the flag poles at their school.

7. Please plan to feed my grandkids at school for both breakfast and lunch.

8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services.

9. I do plan to get a car and drive in Mexico but I don't plan to purchase car insurance, and I probably won't make any special effort to learn local traffic laws.

10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from their president to leave me alone, please be sure that every patrol car has at least one English-speaking officer.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put U. S. flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.

12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, or have any labor or tax laws enforced on any business I may start.

13. Please have the president tell all the Mexican people to be extremely nice and never say critical things about me or my family, or about the strain we might place on their economy..

14. I want to receive free food stamps.

15. Naturally, I'll expect free rent subsidies.

16. I'll need Income tax credits so although I don't pay Mexican Taxes, I'll receive money from the government.

17. Please arrange it so that the Mexican Gov't. pays me $4,500 to help me buy a new car..

18. Oh yes, I almost forgot, please enroll me free into the Mexican Social Security program so that I'll get a monthly income in retirement.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all his people who walk over to the U.S. from Mexico .
I am sure that President Calderon won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

Thank you so much for your kind help. You're the man!!!