Bikers who think they're politicians

[Freethinker]

Alright.....All you 1130cc.com biker types that want to talk politics, do it where it is allowed.

BRING IT. Let's discuss it, dissect it, mull it over and see what comes of it.

Anyone wanna be bold enough to go first!!??

[curt_the_flirt]

This post is not a question of boldness, I've been on this site for a while. It never ceases to amaze me how the thread go on over at the other forum, but when correctly sent here, no one shows up.

Come on! Let's get it going, here!

[vrodderD]

Top Topics:


Al Gore invented the "Biker"

Vrodder's aren't bikers, they're Rubs.

Global Warming is not a man made event.

[Brewski]

I've not been logged on here for some time but thought I'd see some of the global warming BS on this side of the site.

[Engels]

Here are some thing to talk about:

1) FOX news viewers tend to be a) conservative and b) mis-informed about basic facts concerning world politics and history.

2) More than 2/3 of Fox News viewers held the mistaken belief that Iraq/Suddam Hussein somehow was involved in the 9/11 attacks.

3) Due, in part, to items #1 and #2 above - we are now involved in a costly, bloody war in the middle-east that we cannot win, and will only hurt the influence and image of the United States.

If the sort of people who watch Bill O'Reilly, with his small-minded "shut up!" approach to "journalism", were to start thinking for themselves, and asking questions - then maybe our political leaders would have thought a little more carefully BEFORE we attacked Iraq.

[curt_the_flirt]

Welcome, Engels. I can detect from your post that you will be in the minority on this site. That's okay, we need more of that to help make things "fair and balanced." ;)
Frankly, though, this is a somewhat simplistic view. If you're going to post, give us something with which to work!

[The_Man]

Here are some thing to talk about:

1) FOX news viewers tend to be a) conservative and b) mis-informed about basic facts concerning world politics and history.

2) More than 2/3 of Fox News viewers held the mistaken belief that Iraq/Suddam Hussein somehow was involved in the 9/11 attacks.

3) Due, in part, to items #1 and #2 above - we are now involved in a costly, bloody war in the middle-east that we cannot win, and will only hurt the influence and image of the United States.

If the sort of people who watch Bill O'Reilly, with his small-minded "shut up!" approach to "journalism", were to start thinking for themselves, and asking questions - then maybe our political leaders would have thought a little more carefully BEFORE we attacked Iraq.

As to point

1. You are half correct, we do tend to be conservative.

2. I can only speak for myself and not the other referenced 2/3 but I have never thought of Iraq/Saddam as having direct involvement with the 911 attacks. Although Iraq was seeking to acquire weapons of mass destruction and had been in violation of the cease fire agreement that we entered into with them since the first Gulf War.

3. You seem to be putting the blame for the present middle east conflict somehow tied to the popularity of FOX news.

Then in conclusion you seem to blame Bill O'Reilly or the journalistic approach that FOX news employs which is nothing more than reporting facts as being an influence in the decision process of the current administration.

FOX news did not exist when we first attacked Iraq. CNN did however and as a result of the exclusive coverage they had the liberal media really started to flex its muscles and nudge out all conservative reporting. As a result there was a thirsting so to speak in the public for change and that was the reason for the big success that FOX enjoys.

As to your assertion that this FOX news watching/conservative/Republican is mis-informed about basic facts concerning world politics and history. You now have my undivided attention to prove that it applies to me. I will be eagerly awaiting your first history lesson/geopolitical thesis.

[The_Man]

Oh, almost forgot. Welcome to the forum.

[The G]

No weapons of mass destruction.
Tax cuts for the rich

And what about all those promise he made during that last election? They had both house and didn't come through with......... Na Da. pray in school abortion, ect......... yep full of $HIT.

Bill just got a BJ :)

[curt_the_flirt]

The G, Is that all you've got?
I grant the first point. No WMD were found, although that hardly was just the position of President Bush. You might want to go back and look at the votes in the Senate and House to see how many others believed it. Or, if you believe that they were duped by the Administration's intelligence, go back to the 1998 interviews with John Kerry who clearly believed that Hussein had them, or to the words of President Clinton prior to leaving office.
As for tax cuts for the rich, please take the time to read the IRS statistics on who pays taxes in this country. We've already given massive assistance to the poor in such programs as Earned Income Credits. The "rich" pay the vast majority of this country's income taxes. Given that the "rich" spend money in the economy that creates jobs for others, it is reasonable to entice them to do it.

Please enlighten us with specific instances of the promises made by President Bush during the last election. Use reference sites, if you can.

Finally, I don't care so much that President Clinton got his rocks off with an intern, but three things about all that bother me, and no it's not his wedding vows. That is between him, Senator Clinton, and the God of their understanding.
1. Ms. Lewinski may have been an adult, but just barely so. She was young and impressionable, and President Clinton, as an individual, had the responsibility to see her naivety and not take advantage of it. One can offer that he's only human, but we ask more from our leaders, and this clearly was not the act of a leader.
2. One can also argue that he was the target of an overly zealous special prosecutor. However, his own behavior over past years put him in the position. Given that, he lied to the Grand Jury, and then to the American people (I did not have sex with that woman...). I know, I know, it was about harmless sex. It is still perjury. While I actually don't believe it rose to the level of the impeachment proceedings, it should have brought censure. In fact, this particular perjury was considered severe enough to have him disbarred for 5 years in his home state of Arkansas (which carries reciprocity with almost all other states).
3. I listened carefully to his speech professing his sorrow over the event. Yes, he did say "I'm sorry," but he never said, "I apologize." There is a big difference.

I await your informed response.

Regards,
Curt