vrodsweeper
02-12-2008, 01:01 AM
Have the candidates ask for and get buckets full of money spend it to make J.Q. Public think they are doing something important have the delegates and super delegates decide who will run and again have the Electoral College tell us who will be President.
A vote is placed hoping to get who you want to be available to run and you find that it is out of your hands the whole time and how do the delegates and Super delegates get in position to vote. What is a Super Delegate anyway, it makes it sound like all votes are not created equal. What the hay? Then a second time these same people decide in the summer who will run. Why even have one person one vote at all. It looks like when the Presidential Election is taking place in November I believe, that it is the Electoral College that is making the choice. Why humor the public and spend all this money that could go toward mismanaging the federal debt, destroying foreign countries, getting are men and women killed in war; then spending U.S. tax dollars again to rebuild what we just shot and bombed the h$ll out of IT MAKES THE VOTING SYSTEM LOOK TOTALLY BROKEN TO ME!!!
These next two paragraphs are what was originally in a post that was moved because of the Political bent of this and it was not allowed in the forum I posted it.
Now this makes it seem to me the votes we cast even less important. Part way Thur this article it states " "super delegates," a group of almost 800 Democratic party officials and leaders who also will cast votes at the nominating convention this summer." A nominating convention this summer why have all this other voting go on if it becomes a popularity contest that has nothing to do with the process held up to the nominating convention this summer.
This makes the process more like why do we vote before the Dems have made a choice who is running, as it seems the Electoral College will decide regardless, and in here it states even in the Electoral College not all votes are equal. Back to super delegates.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/...rss_topstories
(CNN) -- A string of recent victories and endorsements from key party insiders have Democratic presidential hopefuls Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton running neck-and-neck in the increasingly important battle for delegates.
Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are running a tight race for Democratic delegates.
1 of 3 Clinton holds a narrow 27-delegate lead over Obama, 1,148 to 1,121, down from her lead of more than 100 delegates a month ago, according to CNN's estimate.
A candidate must secure the support of 2,025 delegates to clinch the Democratic presidential nomination.
In the Republican race, Arizona Sen. John McCain maintains a comfortable lead in delegates over his main rival Mike Huckabee, despite the former Arkansas governor's wins Saturday in Kansas and Louisiana and a strong showing in Washington state.
Obama's surge in delegates is due primarily to his electoral victories on Super Tuesday and in contests held over the weekend, including Sunday's Democratic caucuses in Maine, which he won by a comfortable margin.
The first-term Illinois senator won at least 923 delegates from those contests, compared with at least 876 delegates for Clinton, according to CNN's analysis of voting results. Another 67 delegates from those races still remain unallocated in areas with particularly tight vote results or local delays in vote-counting. But 60 of those slots are in states Obama won, which may give him the edge as these remaining delegates are allocated.
Overall, Obama has won 986 delegates from contests this year, compared to 924 for Clinton.
CNN's delegate estimate includes both delegates won in primaries and caucuses as well as preferences of so-called "super delegates," a group of almost 800 Democratic party officials and leaders who also will cast votes at the nominating convention this summer. Watch super delegates weigh in on their role in the race »
Because super delegates are not required to make their presidential preferences public and are free to change their minds, it is difficult to pinpoint the exact number of super delegate supporters either candidate has at any given time.
CNN estimates, however, that Clinton has the support of at least 224 superdelegates compared with at least 135 superdelegates for Obama, according to an ongoing survey. The remaining 400 or so superdelegates either remain neutral, undecided or have not publicly revealed their preferences.
Though Clinton appears to hold a sizable lead among these Democratic officials, Obama has scored a series of high-profile superdelegate endorsements in recent weeks, including nods from Sens. Ted Kennedy and John Kerry of Massachusetts.
Democratic superdelegate Sam Spencer said he's not entirely comfortable with the decisive role superdelegates could play in this election.
"I think the best people to decide who our nominee should be ... should be actual voters in primaries and caucuses," Spencer said on CNN's "American Morning." "I think superdelegates are somewhat outdated, and it's not the most democratic way of doing things."
Nancy Larson, another Democratic superdelegate, said she hopes a decision gets made "before we have to step in."
"They never anticipated that we would have two superstars locked in a dead heat, so I think there is no playbook for this," she said.
On the Republican side, McCain leads the shrinking GOP field with 723 delegates to 217 for Huckabee and 16 for Texas Rep. Ron Paul.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney suspended his campaign after Super Tuesday, but still retains the 286 delegates he won in primaries and caucuses.
Though the national Republican Party does not have superdelegates, 123 members of the Republican National Committee are free to vote for any candidate at the GOP convention this summer in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Of those, 26 support McCain and three support Huckabee.
A total of 1,191 delegates are needed to win the GOP presidential nomination. E-mail to a friend
CNN's Adam Levy and Megan Zingarelli contributed to this report.
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A vote is placed hoping to get who you want to be available to run and you find that it is out of your hands the whole time and how do the delegates and Super delegates get in position to vote. What is a Super Delegate anyway, it makes it sound like all votes are not created equal. What the hay? Then a second time these same people decide in the summer who will run. Why even have one person one vote at all. It looks like when the Presidential Election is taking place in November I believe, that it is the Electoral College that is making the choice. Why humor the public and spend all this money that could go toward mismanaging the federal debt, destroying foreign countries, getting are men and women killed in war; then spending U.S. tax dollars again to rebuild what we just shot and bombed the h$ll out of IT MAKES THE VOTING SYSTEM LOOK TOTALLY BROKEN TO ME!!!
These next two paragraphs are what was originally in a post that was moved because of the Political bent of this and it was not allowed in the forum I posted it.
Now this makes it seem to me the votes we cast even less important. Part way Thur this article it states " "super delegates," a group of almost 800 Democratic party officials and leaders who also will cast votes at the nominating convention this summer." A nominating convention this summer why have all this other voting go on if it becomes a popularity contest that has nothing to do with the process held up to the nominating convention this summer.
This makes the process more like why do we vote before the Dems have made a choice who is running, as it seems the Electoral College will decide regardless, and in here it states even in the Electoral College not all votes are equal. Back to super delegates.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/...rss_topstories
(CNN) -- A string of recent victories and endorsements from key party insiders have Democratic presidential hopefuls Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton running neck-and-neck in the increasingly important battle for delegates.
Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are running a tight race for Democratic delegates.
1 of 3 Clinton holds a narrow 27-delegate lead over Obama, 1,148 to 1,121, down from her lead of more than 100 delegates a month ago, according to CNN's estimate.
A candidate must secure the support of 2,025 delegates to clinch the Democratic presidential nomination.
In the Republican race, Arizona Sen. John McCain maintains a comfortable lead in delegates over his main rival Mike Huckabee, despite the former Arkansas governor's wins Saturday in Kansas and Louisiana and a strong showing in Washington state.
Obama's surge in delegates is due primarily to his electoral victories on Super Tuesday and in contests held over the weekend, including Sunday's Democratic caucuses in Maine, which he won by a comfortable margin.
The first-term Illinois senator won at least 923 delegates from those contests, compared with at least 876 delegates for Clinton, according to CNN's analysis of voting results. Another 67 delegates from those races still remain unallocated in areas with particularly tight vote results or local delays in vote-counting. But 60 of those slots are in states Obama won, which may give him the edge as these remaining delegates are allocated.
Overall, Obama has won 986 delegates from contests this year, compared to 924 for Clinton.
CNN's delegate estimate includes both delegates won in primaries and caucuses as well as preferences of so-called "super delegates," a group of almost 800 Democratic party officials and leaders who also will cast votes at the nominating convention this summer. Watch super delegates weigh in on their role in the race »
Because super delegates are not required to make their presidential preferences public and are free to change their minds, it is difficult to pinpoint the exact number of super delegate supporters either candidate has at any given time.
CNN estimates, however, that Clinton has the support of at least 224 superdelegates compared with at least 135 superdelegates for Obama, according to an ongoing survey. The remaining 400 or so superdelegates either remain neutral, undecided or have not publicly revealed their preferences.
Though Clinton appears to hold a sizable lead among these Democratic officials, Obama has scored a series of high-profile superdelegate endorsements in recent weeks, including nods from Sens. Ted Kennedy and John Kerry of Massachusetts.
Democratic superdelegate Sam Spencer said he's not entirely comfortable with the decisive role superdelegates could play in this election.
"I think the best people to decide who our nominee should be ... should be actual voters in primaries and caucuses," Spencer said on CNN's "American Morning." "I think superdelegates are somewhat outdated, and it's not the most democratic way of doing things."
Nancy Larson, another Democratic superdelegate, said she hopes a decision gets made "before we have to step in."
"They never anticipated that we would have two superstars locked in a dead heat, so I think there is no playbook for this," she said.
On the Republican side, McCain leads the shrinking GOP field with 723 delegates to 217 for Huckabee and 16 for Texas Rep. Ron Paul.
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney suspended his campaign after Super Tuesday, but still retains the 286 delegates he won in primaries and caucuses.
Though the national Republican Party does not have superdelegates, 123 members of the Republican National Committee are free to vote for any candidate at the GOP convention this summer in Minneapolis, Minnesota. Of those, 26 support McCain and three support Huckabee.
A total of 1,191 delegates are needed to win the GOP presidential nomination. E-mail to a friend
CNN's Adam Levy and Megan Zingarelli contributed to this report.
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