Operation Chaos

[Marcus O'Reillius]

Who's in; what do you think?

[September]

Desperate times. Desperate measures.

[Marcus O'Reillius]

Worse than desperate: we're going to get a liberal in the Presidency no matter who is elected. Now it's just trying to get the least terrible one...

["shazbat"]

McCain a liberal? I must have slipped into the far right centric parallel universe.
You're either at "the right hand of God" or you're a heathen liberal in league with Satan with no in between.

[Marcus O'Reillius]

McCain a liberal? I must have slipped into the far right centric parallel universe.
You're either at "the right hand of God" or you're a heathen liberal in league with Satan with no in between.
LOL!

McCain is much more liberal than the Republican party as a whole. McCain is in the same league as Arlen Specter or Olympia Snowe. He is no Ronald Reagan. Make no mistake about it, liberals and moderates from the Democratic party crossed over to vote for McCain. The media propped him up until he was the Republican candidate and now they'll work as hard as they can to defeat him. McCain is the candidate the Democrats want to run against because they think conservatives won't turn out to vote for him.

While McCain's voting record throughout his history in the Senate is pretty good, since GW got in the White House, he has consistently been more and more liberal than when he began. In 2007, though, he missed more than half of the votes in both the economic and foreign-policy categories so it's hard to tell how conservative/liberal he is now. On social issues, which include immigration, McCain received a conservative score of 59 according to the National Journal. Yet, McCain is in favor of amnesty for illegals (although he doesn't use that term) and he does not endorse strict border enforcement.

About the only thing McCain is solid on as far as I'm concerned is the military. His domestic agenda is little different than the Democrats he crosses the aisle to sponsor legislation with like Kennedy or Feingold.

["shazbat"]

LOL!

McCain is much more liberal than the Republican party as a whole. McCain is in the same league as Arlen Specter or Olympia Snowe. He is no Ronald Reagan. Make no mistake about it, liberals and moderates from the Democratic party crossed over to vote for McCain. The media propped him up until he was the Republican candidate and now they'll work as hard as they can to defeat him. McCain is the candidate the Democrats want to run against because they think conservatives won't turn out to vote for him.
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Did you think that perhaps Democrats crossed over and want McCain to run because they themselves are moderate. Look at the choices they are currently faced with.
Hillary or Obama. Both are scary.
Hillary has the more "mature" democratic vote but I don't think it is enough. Obama has the young, inexperienced, idealistic, "You Tube" and "MySpace" generation vote which is really scary. Not to mention the money of the "Big O" and celebrity backing.
They don't scare me any more or less than the Christian conservative right though.
It could be that there are many Independents and Democrats that are still strong feeling about national security, and realize that their personal social issues need to take a back shelf, that they will back McCain.

[Viagrant]

Did you think that perhaps Democrats crossed over and want McCain to run because they themselves are moderate. Look at the choices they are currently faced with.
Hillary or Obama. Both are scary.
Hillary has the more "mature" democratic vote but I don't think it is enough. Obama has the young, inexperienced, idealistic, "You Tube" and "MySpace" generation vote which is really scary. Not to mention the money of the "Big O" and celebrity backing.
They don't scare me any more or less than the Christian conservative right though.
It could be that there are many Independents and Democrats that are still strong feeling about national security, and realize that their personal social issues need to take a back shelf, that they will back McCain.


Liberals wouldn't have crossed over, but I guarantee it's the moderates who put McCain over the top. Face it, the moderates are the silent majority, they were hood winked by Limbaugh, et al, until the GOP gained control of all three branches of the federal government and exposed themselves. Sorry to those of you on the right, but the conservative movement failed and it's circling the drain. The mad middle has spoken loud and clear with their votes, it's time for common sense and independent mindedness to take it's rightful place in politics. Limbaugh's "operation chaos" is his last ditch effort to hold onto some kind of relevancy. Sure he's got his sheep doing his will, but everybody else (those who think for themselves) sees him for what his is; the P.T. Barnum/Joseph Goebbels of the GOP. It's a real treat to watch the death throws of his career.

[MYCAR47562]

I Hear People Saying That Rush Should Be Indicted For Organizing Chaos But Really Isnt It Our Right To Vote How We Feel Even If It Is In A Sabotging Manor I For One Am A Big Suporter Of Chaos I Was Unable To Vote But The Theory Behind It Is Good. Dont Get Me Wrong I Dont Not Personally Like Rush Just Reminds Me To Much Of A Trouble Maker But Maybe Thats What We Need Right Now Because We Have Got Our Goverment So Srcewed Up

[Viagrant]

It was due to so many people being hoodwinked by Rush that we've got the government we do right now.

[Captain Dan]

If they indite Rush, what should they do with MoveOn.org.?

[Viagrant]

For what exactly. I have no idea what they've been up to (that should say something about their effectiveness).

[The G]

Regardless of what Rush says or thinks I don't see the Rep winning the White house after 8 yrs with Bozo the clown.

[Freethinker]

I don't listen to Rush. I don't really like his show. That being said, I think the move McCain made to adjust himself to the left was a smart one, considering the public opinion of the current President. He needed to distance himself a bit, and I think it worked.

I don't know if operation chaos is going to make a difference, and I don't know what's going to happen with the Democratic nominee. Everyone says how this prolonged race is bad for the party, but it keeps EVERYONE talking about it. The Democratic Party is getting more press coverage than McCain's campaign 4-1. We'll see what happens, but this political year is just plain bazzare.......No one can choose a side and make up their minds. It's scary really.

["shazbat"]

I have no idea what "Operation Chaos" is but will assume that it is some buzz phrase that Rush Limbaugh came up with.
Can't stand Rush, never could. He's what used to be called a "rabble rouser" and if that dates me then so what.
I was raised in a blue collar state in a hard core Democratic family, grew up in the sixties and came of voting age in the seventies. I became very apathetic with the political process and never till this year ever registered to vote.

My up bringing and life experience have left me "hard core" moderate and I have the splinters in my ass from sitting the fence to prove it.
I lean more liberal on many, but not all, social issues and I lean more right on defence, law & order and national security.

The current upwelling of Democratic fervor is understandable after the past eight years of the current regime. But opting to throw in for "Change" just for the sake of change and a charismatic contestant is more than just the pendulum swinging the other way.

I think that if McCain seriously wants to win he needs to swing for center field and the party needs to choose a running mate that is also of a more moderate strain.
Someone that appeals to the greater masses and I don't think Huckabee is it. I think that kind of choice will doom them to lose. It will show the party to the people as the same old right wing, conservative war mongering entity they aready have and are tired of.

I feel a rant coming on so will take it to another thread. Part of what this forum was intended for was to allow us a place to open up and express what we really believe and not just the mindless mimicry of BS hardline rhetoric that espoused by others like Rush, Sharpton or others.

I invite you all to do that and I'm willing to begin.
The only rules, or rather requests, will be that ther are no replies to anyones statements.
Make your statements/posts either of your complete political mind or break it into manageable subjects.
Others can read them and make their own statements of belief but DO NOT use the thread to slam or berate.
Instead take any comment to a separate thread with a link to the particular comment.

I intend to post in the "Rants" folder.

["shazbat"]

So look where Operation Chaos has us now.

[gtrman66]

rofl or crying if you prefer.

[MYCAR47562]

Yea Really Lol Oh Well

[Engels]

"Operation Chaos" was a pretty cynical move.

But it did prove one thing - Rush Limbaugh and his audience are nowhere near as influential as he thinks they are.

And secondly - the extended primary campaign against Hillary Clinton actually made Obama a much better candidate than he was before.

So, thanks Rush!

[MYCAR47562]

I Have To Admit At The Time I Liked The Idea But Looking Back It Wasnt Very Kool It Amazing How Much I Have Learned Over The Last Few Months About Poliltics

[gtrman66]

Hillary would have been easy to beat, because we "knew" her in every sense of the word. She had so many skeletons, that it actually would have been hilarious to watch. You think the swiftboat guys were tough? Imagine the dredging up of Vince Foster, FBI files, Firings, and on and on...

Obama played a smart card. He has no history. No one knows what he stands for. Heck, the guy refused to vote on several issues. All we know is he has no spine and has a plethora of shady friends. "You are known by the company you keep".

[MYCAR47562]

hillary would have been easier to beat i do believe but hind sight is 20/20

[jacothedog]

"Operation Chaos" was a pretty cynical move.

But it did prove one thing - Rush Limbaugh and his audience are nowhere near as influential as he thinks they are.

And secondly - the extended primary campaign against Hillary Clinton actually made Obama a much better candidate than he was before.

So, thanks Rush!

I'm pretty new here so let me start by letting you know that I am a registered independent and have voted in the past for candidates from both parties, so not taking sides with either party here - just pointing some things out.

I've got news for you all - the only people who listen to Rush and agree with him vote Republican across the board and would do the same if he never existed. Same with the Randi Rhodes audience on the other side. These hosts may believe they are influencing the general public, but that's really not the case. They are on the radio in my area on the same station back to back - and if I'm travelling by car and can listen to both shows, the opposing extremist views really are amusing.

What's happening today is the result of a charismatic Democrat running a brilliant campaign and has nothing to do with Limbaugh or any of the other radio fools.

The Republicans are suffering from a guy in office who didn't follow the path of true conservatism. How does our govt. GROW under a Republican? That's the opposite of what their core principles are.

Anyway, whoever wins - I'll support them. This was a tough choice for me.

[The G]

Very few listen to this dumb a$$.

[MYCAR47562]

im a sean hannity kinda guy

there's a president i would deffinatly vote and campain for to bad he wouldnt

[gtrman66]

I listen to the podcast of Daryl Ankarlo out of Phoenix. He used to be here in Dallas. The guys that replaced him suck.

http://ktar.net/blogs/dankarlo/