Tomorrow is the big day

[gtrman66]

I must vent. Maybe all 5 people who go to this forum will read it, maybe not.

I should start by printing my "Don't Blame Me, I Voted for Bob Barr" stickers. I early voted for BB on Friday.

Either way this election goes will be bad. On the one hand you have a left leaning RINO (Republican in name only) and on the other hand you have a confirmed Marxist.

Have we forgotten the Berlin Wall?

Have we forgotten the lines for bread?

Have we forgotten the line "we pretend to work and they pretend to pay us?"

Haven't we seen the number of Canadians that come to the US for healthcare, because the socialist program they have doesn't work?

Have we completely ignored the fact that the socialized medical program in Hawaii went bankrupt in only 7 months?

You want nationalized healthcare? Have you stood in line at a federal office lately? Have you dealt with the incompetance that runs rampant, yet the people are above being fired?

Do you think nationalized healthcare will attract the best and brightest? If you do not believe salary caps for doctors are not in the works, I feel very sorry for you.

Have we totally forgotten that the rich lay off employees (you & me my friend) before giving up the yacht and multiple homes?

Haven't we all experienced the failure of No Child Left Behind? Have you interviewed a high school grad lately? It is very frightening. We abandoned teaching a long time ago. All that is left are empty headed PC robots who are ready for mamma gov't to take care of their every need.

Haven't we had enough of the failure of welfare?

Can't anyone see that 95% of Americans getting a tax cut doesn't make sense when only 40% pay anything? Are you telling me , we are going to pay more people for the privledge of living here?

Doesn't anyone else see that raising the minimum wage results in higher prices and layoffs of only the poorest of employees?

Doesn't anyone fear the Obama/Pelosi/Frank plan to cut 25% of the military? Where will those former soldiers find work? Where will the defense industry employees find work? Never mind, with 25% less military, jobs will be the least of our worries.

Doesn't anyone care that for every $1 that goes into the Department of Education, only $.17 makes it back to a school?

Does it make sense to anyone that over $2 BILLION will be spent to elect a president this year?

What is so hard to understand that eliminating the IRS and going to a national sales tax recoups the lost money from everyone, be they legal, illegal, rich, poor or whatever? Even the mafia pays under that system... and more so if they buy expensive cars, houses etc...

Wednesday will be no different than today. But if the polling data is right, in one year this post will have been removed for being non-PC and I'll be in line behind you to see a doctor or buy bread, or gas... you get the picture.

[MYCAR47562]

so i might just not be old enough to understand your post on bob barr, but seems to me you didnt vote for any viable canidate?

the national sales tax is that like fair tax plan? either way the irs is corrupt

[gtrman66]

Define viable. If we never take a stand and vote for a third party candidate, then we will never win. Momentum has to start somewhere. I guess I finally reached that point. I voted for Reagan's second term in my Sr. year of High School. I was proud to be an American. I joined the US Army Reserves because I felt I had an obligation to the country I love. Once the first Bush went into office...It has been downhill ever since.

Both "mainstream" choices we have tomorrow are bad. It's like choosing between drinking strychnine or hemlock. Drinking either one is a bad option, so I chose the lukewarm water.

Maybe you are too young to remember the Republicans "Contract with America". Once they had the majority... they forgot it too. They spent like drunken democrats.

Yes, the National Sales Tax (Consumption Tax) is one of the fair tax plans, the other being a straight percentage for all. The existing tax plan where the rich are taxed more heavily then the poor is a basic teaching of Marx. Regardless of either mainstream candidate, nothing will be done to scrap this system. It will only become more tangled, langer, confusing and wrong for America. If only there were a way to reset this whole mess.

[MYCAR47562]

i understand taking a stand but by voting for a canidate that might get 2 percent of the total vote arent you wasting your vote. i dont know your personal beliefs, but me personally i dont trust obama.

all i know is if anyone owns guns and wants to keep them should be using there vote to try to keep that right, not waste it on making a point because there is a good possibility if he gets in we could lose them for ever.

and no im only 22 i dont know the republican contract. but i do believe in a smaller goverment. and having the goverment get even more of my money to help those people who dont work isnt my idea of a goverment i want ruling over me

[gtrman66]

I think I have not "thrown away" my vote, so much as I am laying a foundation for the future. It is my hope that this nation's election of Obama will be like the drunk waking up in the streets and realizing they need help. Maybe we have to hit bottom. Obama can get us there faster than anyone else.

[MYCAR47562]

well if obama does get elected i hope thats the worst that comes out of it. and you do make a good point but i cant personaly do that.

[gtrman66]

Believe me, I struggled with my decision right up to the point I pushed the red "VOTE" button. I hope McCain wins (because he is the lesser of two weasels), but it's so very unlikely at this point.

[MYCAR47562]

but why bob barr? im not familiar with him

[gtrman66]

Oh, grasshopper... it's not the candidate so much as the Libertarian Party.

http://www.bobbarr2008.com/

You really need to look at where they stand on the issues. The thing that seperates most common sense people and the Libertarian Party is ignorance (not to be confused with stupidity).

Personnally, I am not at all happy with Bob Barr (as he has had several failed marriages) but on the issues, the guy is dead on. The travesty is that he is not even allowed to show up for the debates.

[MYCAR47562]

wow i do like the sound of him but im gonna do more research before i form my opinion

[Engels]

wow i do like the sound of him but im gonna do more research before i form my opinion


Its like, 4.00 PM on the day before the election - better hurry up.

Actually, no (I see you are from Georgia) - do the country and yourself a favor - vote Bob Barr all the way!

[jacothedog]

I guess I'm way in the minority, but I see positives in both of the candidates. It seems noone thinks that way anymore. Our culture pushes us to pick sides, and if our guy loses, we hope the winner fails - which to me is extremely unpatriotic. So, I will vote tomorrow and if the person I vote for loses, I hope the winner fixes some of the problems our troubled, yet great country faces.

[gtrman66]

Jaco,

We need more optimists like yourself. I honestly cannot name ONE think I like about either candidate. Not one. They have both sold their soul to the devil and we will get what we deserve.

They BOTH plan to:
~Expand spending like we have never before seen.
~Keep troops in the Middle East. (BO just wants to move them to a NEW war in Afganistan.
~Raise taxes on everyone - mark my words on this one
~"Create jobs" - the gov't cannot "create" anything. Gov't employees do not add to the GDP, they drain it.
~Create an instant-citizen society which will completely change the culture of this nation. If you like Mexico, go live there (I did) and I don't want that system here.
~Continue the multi-generational dependance on welfare
~Cowtow to the whiny people in N'Awlins (I liveed there too) - it's been over 3 years, pull yourself yourselves together!
~Enforce and enbolden "No Child Left Behind" or as a teacher friend of mine calls "No Teacher Left Sane". Education should be left in the hands of local municipalities, not "royalty" in DC.

Shall I go on? This is off the top of my head. There is so little difference between the mainstream parties now, that I argue that "you" are the ones throwing away your vote.

[MYCAR47562]

ha you wish engels i voted the first day early voting started for mccain. would i have voted bob barr if i had read up on him? no. just because i feel its a wasted vote, but doesnt mean i dont think the idea behind voteing for him isnt noble but i dont believe it will do any good. we have to find a way for a total reform of the goverment how the people do that short of over throwing it im not sure.

there are things i can like about both canidates but i feel i could only trust one at maybe being a salesman. past that i dont trust him as far as i can throw his house. ''

now i hope IF elected he does a good job and im proved wrong. i really just want my country back on the right track.

["shazbat"]

I'm personally disappointed in Barr.
Never liked him anyway but didn't think he was malicious.

[MYCAR47562]

i truly believe barr is a mute point but i do like outside canidates i believe it will probally take one to fix our problems. we need people not politicians in the presidential office

["shazbat"]

i truly believe barr is a mute point but i do like outside canidates i believe it will probally take one to fix our problems. we need people not politicians in the presidential office

I agree that we need a viable "real world" candidate and not the pap the parties feed us.
Barrs actions though seem childish to me.
We do need someone that's not afraid to declare that he is truly mainstream and not on either extreme.
And we need to be willing to let loose of our feelings on the social issues that just inflame and have absolutely nothing at all to do with the running of the nation and get down to the business of correcting the economy and finding a way to settle Iraq and Afghanistan in ways that are honorable.

[MYCAR47562]

which social issue's do you speak of?

["shazbat"]

which social issue's do you speak of?

Abortion, gay marriage, you get my drift.
Imflammatory issues that the candidates use to stir the flock into frenzy to hide that fact that they are clueless about what it takes to keep the nation financially solvent or maintain stability in an unstable world.

[MYCAR47562]

gotcha. only problem with that is that issue goes all the way back to abe lincoln when he got the black vote to win. i made that comment because of the biden depression quote.

["shazbat"]

gotcha. only problem with that is that issue goes all the way back to abe lincoln when he got the black vote to win. i made that comment because of the biden depression quote.

So that's how Lincoln got elected, Hah hah hah, must have just before Gore invented the internet.

[jacothedog]

G-man, my optimism comes from my comparison of the US and other countries. This is the greatest country in the world and I do believe that our leaders try to make it better. Call me naive if you want, but I am close to people who have served in government and know how difficult can be. Our world gets increasingly complicated and in this "digital age" we all think we are experts and knbow more than our political leaders.

We make comments about the war, the economy, taxes, abortion, drugs, etc... as if we know how to fix them. We make it sound easy. We just want our president to FIX IT!

So I try to live in reality and hope for the best and focus on the positives. Someone today made a great analogy about the presidential candidates today - "They are just the hood ornaments on the big machine"; to which I agree. So why not at least TRY to see at least one positive with each of these guys.

Is Obama at least not the first high profile positive role model for African Americans since MLK? Is McCain's story at least not inspiring?

These are small things - I'm not hitting the hot button political issues or we'll go on forever about them, but let's at least give whoever wins a chance and be supportive.

[gtrman66]

Is Obama at least not the first high profile positive role model for African Americans since MLK?

I call the BS card.

Colin Powell
Condaleeza Rice
JC Watts
Clarance Thomas

Just because they are conservative, doesn't mean they are not role models!

[jacothedog]

Gman - You have all the right in the world to call BS on me - Maybe I should have communicated my point better. By "high profile" I meant to extreme levels. Colin Powell may be the closest on your list, but not to the level of MLK or Obama. I have 60 employees in my plant - 35 of them are African American and today is a huge day for them - it is symbolic - and it is a positive step forward for our culture. I'm not a big fan of Obama's plans and was not a big supporter of him, I am just, like I stated earlier, seeing some of the positives.

...and for the record - I would vote for Colin Powell in a heartbeat - he's the guy I wanted to run long ago but I know he never will.

[MYCAR47562]

Condaleeza Rice is who ive wanted to run im excited for blcak people also i just wish it would have been a better canadate

[gtrman66]

I wish JC Watts would run.

For the record, I voted for Alan Keyes in the first primary of GWB