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gtrman66
11-03-2008, 08:07 PM
What is the Communist Manifesto? Here are the 10 tenants:

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

In June of 2006 the Supreme Court in the Kelo decision forced an American Citizen from their home to give to a private firm, in the interest of economic development. There is no ownership of land in the US any more. Try not paying your property taxes and see how long you "own" that piece of property.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

When the lowest of incomes are "paid" to live in the US and top earners pay more than 1/3 of their paycheck... that is progressive and it is heavy. A national sales tax is the right way to tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

Inheritance is taxed so heavy in most cases that small business owners cannot will the company to their children without closing the doors and sending previously employed people into the streets and onto the gov't programs. It's a vicious cycle that must be broken.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

I haven't researched this at all.

5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

We just put our nations into $1 trillion more debt to help this be the reality. Banks were seized in the night against their will and sold off to other banks. This was the largest power grab in the history of the US and our gov't did it while the nation said a resounding NO in calls/emails 9:1 against.

6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.

Here comes the Fairness Doctrine yet again to fulfill this prophesy.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

Remember the take over and governmentization of the TSA? Employees working for private idustry one day became "unfirable" gov't employees overnight. Do you feel any more secure? The EPA has this all over it.

8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

Agriculture is pretty much owned by big business. It's only a matter of time before the gov't calls in the debts of decades of farm subsidies.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

Hasn't happened..... yet.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production

Free education. There is nothing free. We will pay. It took me years to pay my student loans. To hear that poor little college girl whine that she was $25k in debt and BO tell her "I'm going to take care of you". That said it all.

Maybe when I get the time, I'll flesh this out some more.

MYCAR47562
11-04-2008, 06:37 AM
on number 4. we are so obsesed with not wanting to hurt people's feeling we are instead going to give the land to those illegals if they cant pay for it so this one i dont think will happen

gtrman66
11-04-2008, 06:47 AM
# 4 is emigrants... people who leave the country. So, if you leave to live in Europe for a couple years, when you come back your house is owned by the feds.

MYCAR47562
11-04-2008, 06:54 AM
ah ok didnt know there was a word for that, thanks thats good to know

vrodderD
11-05-2008, 05:42 AM
Hey, that's all "Change" we can believe in. Or at the least, Change that is coming.

Saddam Hussein Obama "changes" his statements more than the seasons occur each year. I can't wait to call him "a miserable failure" and bash him like they have bashed GW but you won't hear it on MSDNC, CNN and the big 3 since they are fair and balanced and unbiased.

MYCAR47562
11-05-2008, 06:40 AM
the thing i really hate about this change is that we are liable to lose the big 3 and many more powerful company's even when we make it though obama's term what will we have left to rebuild

The G
11-05-2008, 06:52 AM
If the tax cuts for shipping job over seas are cut off and fix the mess with the NAFTA these both will help keep jobs in the USA.

MYCAR47562
11-05-2008, 06:57 AM
unless you raise taxes on those business's they would rather cut employees to save money than to have to pay more taxes.

what do yall not understand about that

The G
11-05-2008, 07:04 AM
unless you raise taxes on those business's they would rather cut employees to save money than to have to pay more taxes.

what do yall not understand about that Tax cuts don't buy products, people do. This is another crock the GOP tries to sell.

MYCAR47562
11-05-2008, 07:24 AM
but people aint gonna be buying products if they think the market is going to crash i thought we proved that as a nation most people just paid the mortgage with the stymous plan

The G
11-05-2008, 07:36 AM
A good economy and jobs get people buying, not tax cuts for the business owners. When the working man get a tax cut we buy thousands of products and the business owner buys a couple.

Engels
11-05-2008, 07:46 AM
but people aint gonna be buying products if they think the market is going to crash

I think the market's already crashed.

The concept behind the new President's tax plan is this: A lot of business growth comes from the bottom up.

Think of it this way: Say you live in a town with 1000 residents. And all of a sudden, 950 of those residents have an extra thousand dollars a year to spend. What do you think is going to happen to many of the businesses in that town? People are going to spend that extra money at restaurants, retail stores, putting additions on their homes, paying for kids' braces, and (for all you Joe the Plumber types) putting in a new guest bathroom. And as a result local waitresses, store clerks, building contractors, orthodontists, and (yes) plumbers will make more money - which in turn they'll spend.

If you think about it that way - if 95% of your customers have more money to spend at local business, then a "bottom up" tax cut will actually be good for business.

Now, its not totally that simple. There are the 50 or so "upper income" folks who are going to have somewhat less money to spend. So maybe the Mercedes dealership doesn't sell quite so many cars that year. But maybe not - because chances are those 50 "upper income" folks are people like the orthodontist who's fixing a lot more teeth, or the store owner who is seeing a lot more business. Its better to keep 50% of a million dollars than to hold on to 100% of a business that's losing money.

There is a reason that more college-educated, upper-income people voted for Obama - even though they may, initially, pay more in taxes. Its because they understand that the businesses they own and manage need prosperous customers to stay in business.

MYCAR47562
11-05-2008, 07:51 AM
we showed it last time the little bit he is talking about saving us will not make up for the amount that he will cost our business. the stymoulys plan perfect example majority of people paid bills. not buying new stuff

MYCAR47562
11-05-2008, 07:52 AM
im going to make a prediction though when the tax break does come you might want to buy stock in DUB the rim company because they will shoot up.

gtrman66
11-05-2008, 08:24 AM
Water cannot run uphill.

If you give everyone an extra $XXX to spend, it comes from somewhere. The money is either taken from the "rich" (socialism) resulting in layoffs, less development, offshoring, less capital investment.... OR the money is printed, resulting in inflation, then in layoffs....

Long and short, the gov't cannot create "wealth" but they can certainly destroy it.