Gun Laws

[MYCAR47562]

do you believe obama on his stance on gun control? either way i fell the clinton gun laws are a huge threat to our freedom.

also how do you explain "assualt weapon"

["shazbat"]

do you believe obama on his stance on gun control? either way i fell the clinton gun laws are a huge threat to our freedom.

also how do you explain "assualt weapon"

Can you say "machine gun"? I knew you could. Would you be my neighbor?

Anything less is semi-auto and as far as I'm concerned, no matter what it is styled like shouldn't be included.

[MYCAR47562]

so to you the only assualt weapon is a machine gun

["shazbat"]

It would cover other things not really practical to own as well, grenades, rockets etc.
The media wants to label anything more advanced that a blunderbuss an "assault weapon", almost including childrens look alike toys.
I have no problem with someone owning an AR-15, semi-auto version of M-16. It can be used for hunting as well as a 30-06
Quite frankly, cops with Tazers scare me more than a neighbor with a semi-automatic rifle.

[MYCAR47562]

i just bought a cz vz58 yesterday also know as a ak47 so i guess you can guess my stance on this issue. i also agree that full auto guns should be illegal along with explosives but to say a semi auto weapon should be illegal is outragous

[MYCAR47562]

so we agree i guess

[Oriondk]

Actually, you can own a machine gun. You just have to get a federal permit and maybe a state permit.

[MYCAR47562]

you wont be able to do that much longer

[The G]

Just a little 411

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5946127/

Who said the sky is falling ? :)

[MYCAR47562]

ok so i couldnt pull the link up but, he said he wants to get rid of all sniper rifle rounds. he was talking 30.06 30 30 762 54 223 all rounds used in hunting more than anything else but we shouldnt have them according to obama

[The G]

Do a search on "assualt weapon ban expires".

Yes it expired

This is just another buzz word to get their base wound up.

[MYCAR47562]

i relize the ban expired but those ammunition i spoke about earlier all but one were not from that ban. obama wants a whole new ban streching farther. of course he isnt going to ban guns that would be unconstitutional but he can say you can only have a walther g22 in pink.

[The G]

i relize the ban expired but those ammunition i spoke about earlier all but one were not from that ban. obama wants a whole new ban streching farther. of course he isnt going to ban guns that would be unconstitutional but he can say you can only have a walther g22 in pink. like I said I don't see this happening.

Did you catch this ruling ?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,372041,00.html


Please note this is from Fox News.

[vrodderD]

What would be wrong with owning a fully auto weapon? I would like to have one if I had the bucks to play with.

The gun laws are screwed up, in that they heavily regulate the sale of guns to folks who can legally own one. Whereas, none of these regulations stop the sale of guns to felons. So we have criminals out there with better weapons than the cops. Remember the Bank of America heist in LA about 10 years ago? All those cops putting thier ass on the line with 9 mm pistols against AK-47's.

Do you really beleive that keeping law abiding citizens from buying these weapons will keep criminals from acquiring them?

[The G]

Tim a little 411 I'm a gun owner. :)

[MYCAR47562]

no i am in favor of no gun laws i just relize that there is no way that we will ever get there.

but in georgia i could own a full auto gun i just have to shell out the 15k for the gun and a 200 dollar tax stamp to own it legally

["shazbat"]

What would be wrong with owning a fully auto weapon? I would like to have one if I had the bucks to play with.

The gun laws are screwed up, in that they heavily regulate the sale of guns to folks who can legally own one. Whereas, none of these regulations stop the sale of guns to felons. So we have criminals out there with better weapons than the cops. Remember the Bank of America heist in LA about 10 years ago? All those cops putting thier ass on the line with 9 mm pistols against AK-47's.

Do you really beleive that keeping law abiding citizens from buying these weapons will keep criminals from acquiring them?

In reality in a perfect world there is nothing wrong with you or I owning an automatic weapon, tank or nuclear bomb.
All the regulations do is keep the bad guys from breaking into your home (novel concept that, for a crook don't ya think) and taking yours out of the closet where you keep it.
I absolutely agree that crooks steal or buy illegal guns and as long as there are guns to be stolen then crooks will have them. It just penalizes the rest of us.
The Supreme Court agrees that we have the right to keep and bear arms by the Constitution. It doesn't specify what level of arms we can bear.
I'm just glad they haven't restricted us to single shot black power muzzle loaders as that's what was available at the time the document was written.

[vrodderD]

I don't think I would trust myself with a nuke. :D Now a tank, that would be cool!! But I think the limitation of firing a weapon further than 500 ft from a house would be nill. :P

I don't have a problem with keeping guns out of criminals hands. We have waiting periods, background checks, etc in place now to do that and that is a good thing. Responsible gun owners like ourselves probably keep our weapons locked up or at least out of site. Because I have kids, I have locks on each of mine. Just have to, IMO

But not all of us are responsible. Some leave them laying around easy to find. But you can't legislate stupid. We have DUI laws and still idiots drink too much and climb behind the wheel. In England, they have contemplated outlawing chef's knives due to their size and the amount of injury you could do to one. Since they cannot own firearms in England, they kill each other with knives. So what do you do? Ban steak knives?

Not throwing stones, fellas...just saying....

["shazbat"]

I don't think I would trust myself with a nuke. :D Now a tank, that would be cool!! But I think the limitation of firing a weapon further than 500 ft from a house would be nill. :P

I don't have a problem with keeping guns out of criminals hands. We have waiting periods, background checks, etc in place now to do that and that is a good thing. Responsible gun owners like ourselves probably keep our weapons locked up or at least out of site. Because I have kids, I have locks on each of mine. Just have to, IMO

But not all of us are responsible. Some leave them laying around easy to find. But you can't legislate stupid. We have DUI laws and still idiots drink too much and climb behind the wheel. In England, they have contemplated outlawing chef's knives due to their size and the amount of injury you could do to one. Since they cannot own firearms in England, they kill each other with knives. So what do you do? Ban steak knives?

Not throwing stones, fellas...just saying....

Amongst the more sensible, well thought and expressed posts I've seen in a while.
Why can't there be more sensible people without the constraint of PC.
Kind of like the Talking Heads album "Stop making sense"

[Oriondk]

If any of you guys would like to talk guns, I belong to a small gun forum that's pretty nice. Section on gun laws and news is pretty good for keeping up on things. They even have a section for political threads. There's a number of pretty experienced people there, ex-military, ex-leo's, etc. I met a guy there that I shoot with a couple times a month.
http://www.familyfriendsfirearms.com/forum/index.php

[MYCAR47562]

thats pretty kool man

[TexasV-Rod]

Stores say gun-control fears spur firearms sales
By ANGELA K. BROWN
Associated Press
Nov. 6, 2008, 4:47PM

FORT WORTH — While watching Republican presidential candidate John McCain's concession speech, gun owner AJ Sullivan had a sinking feeling.

"Liberals like to ban guns. That's what it comes down to," said Sullivan, 25, a Texas Christian University student.

Sullivan was among hundreds scrambling to buy a weapon Thursday at the gun store Cheaper Than Dirt! — which sold $101,000 in merchandise the day after the election, shattering its single-day sales record, said store owner DeWayne Irwin.

Stories were similar across Texas, where residents are fiercely protective of their Second Amendment rights and now fear stricter gun-control laws under Democratic President-elect Barack Obama.

"There's a mindset here of freedom, and you've bitten off more than you can chew if you think you can come after Texans' guns," said Charlissa Stokes, co-owner of Panhandle Gunslingers, an Amarillo shooting range and gun store where sales have doubled the last few days.

At Houston's Memorial Shooting Center, gun sales are up 70 percent and "the whole wall of assault rifles is gone," said manager Richard Poulis.

Fort Worth's Cheaper Than Dirt! reported about $480,000 in sales in October 2007 but $890,000 last month, jumping to $1 million including the first four days of November, Irwin said. About half of the sales are guns, mostly assault rifles and other weapons that would be subject to the assault-weapons ban if it is reinstated, he said.

President Bush and Congress allowed it to expire in 2004, 10 years after President Clinton signed the ban into law.

"A few weeks before the election most customers were younger and weren't old enough to buy guns in '94 when the assault-weapons ban took effect, but they'd heard stories from their parents," Irwin said. "On Wednesday, the older folks woke up and said, 'Oh, crap. McCain didn't win, and Obama's going to ban guns,' and they came in here. There's also a Democratic Congress, so they're saying it's going to happen."

Obama has said he supports an individual's rights to own guns with reasonable restrictions, so it seems that a "narrow subsection" of gun owners are afraid of being denied access to assault weapons, said Doug Pennington, spokesman for the Brady Campaign, which supported the weapons ban.

National Rifle Association spokesman Andrew Arulanandam said it does not track U.S. gun sales, but anecdotal evidence at stores in recent weeks indicates many residents "didn't buy Obama's spin." The 4 million-member NRA had distributed literature claiming Obama would be "the most anti-gun president in American history" and said anti-gun groups endorsed him.

Mark Mendiaz, 35, said he voted for Obama because he felt the country was headed in the wrong direction and never heard the candidates discuss gun control. But Mendiaz, a Navy veteran who owns a handgun and rifle, said he started thinking about it after receiving NRA postcards.

On Thursday Mendiaz bought an AR-15, a semiautomatic rifle similar to what soldiers use, for target practice or to sell later, he said.

"If there's going to be a ban, it just creates a market," Mendiaz said. "The bad people probably have them, and the honest people will probably get left out."

[Engels]

"If there's going to be a ban, it just creates a market," Mendiaz said.

Well, I think that says it all. If you can tell tell enough lies about there going to be a ban, then it's good for people in the business of selling guns.

Just in case there is any doubt about this issue: Barack Obama on Gun Control (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBHkMADXnOw)

[MYCAR47562]

Well, I think that says it all. If you can tell tell enough lies about there going to be a ban, then it's good for people in the business of selling guns.

Just in case there is any doubt about this issue: Barack Obama on Gun Control (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBHkMADXnOw)

DUDE IF YOU REALLY THINK HE ISNT GOING TO REINSTATE THE CLINTON GUN BANS THEN YOU HAVENT LISTEND TO HIM BECAUSE HE HAS SAID THAT HE WILL REINSTATE THE GUN BANS

[MYCAR47562]

Also Why Is It That You Post Youtube Video's When You Know That He Changes His Stance Every 2 Hours The Only Thing That Hasn't Changed Is "yes We Will" "change" "hope"

[MYCAR47562]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289373,00.html

since i know you wont believe me here you go

[TexasV-Rod]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,289373,00.html

since i know you wont believe me here you go

And don't use Fox News as the source of that article; use Associated Press since that's where it came from. The same source used by all of the other liberal news agencies.

[MYCAR47562]

If Its The Same Source What's It Matter It Was Just The First Link I Pulled Up

[MYCAR47562]

Well Gun Shops Are Still Selling Guns Like Crazy I Saw A Dragonov Yesterday That Made Me Hate That I Didnt Wait On It

[vrodderD]

CNN is reporting that Obama supports:

1. Permanent Ban of Assault Guns
2. National Ban on Concealed Weapons
3. Supports rights of local governments to set their own laws

I know the Assault Gun ban expired, but it can be brought back. Also, why would he want to ban Concealed Weapons by law abiding citizens?

http://money.cnn.com/video/

[gtrman66]

I am not a gun owner. I have nothing against guns. I qualified on the M-16, M-60 Machine gun and M-203 Gernade Launcher (expert, I might add :D)

This makes me seriously contemplate purchasing a weapon and getting a concealed permit while I still can.

[MYCAR47562]

man if i was you the first thing i bought would be an assualt rilfe then handgun then a semi shotgun shortly follow buy any type of semi-auto hunting rifle

[The G]

Has anyone seen anything in print about Obama changing any gun laws ?

we're not talking about fox either. :)

[gtrman66]

refer to post #30
http://www.forum-political.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1637&postcount=30

The Clinton News Network :D

[MYCAR47562]

so fox isnt a liable news source? then why would cnn be? its not like i quoted the inquier

[The G]

refer to post #30
http://www.forum-political.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1637&postcount=30

The Clinton News Network :DLink is for auto bail out

I think $38.00 is the employees package total worth per hour, insurance etc. Not $38.00 per hour pay. I would like to see this in print.

[The G]

so fox isnt a liable news source? then why would cnn be? its not like i quoted the inquierNope fox are dip $hits.

[MYCAR47562]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html

there you go from your beloved communist news network

[The G]

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/issues/issues.gun.html

there you go from your beloved communist news network

AND ?

[MYCAR47562]

And What? You Asked For A Source Saying Obama Wanted To Ban Guns So I Gave You One

[The G]

And What? You Asked For A Source Saying Obama Wanted To Ban Guns So I Gave You OneThats the 1st time I heard about him wanting to restate the assault weapons ban, let me do some digging.

[MYCAR47562]

yea let me know what you find, ive been hearing it for about 2 months

[MYCAR47562]

Political scientist Earl R. Kruschke states, regarding the fully-automatic firearms owned by private citizens in the United States, that "approximately 175,000 automatic firearms have been licensed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms (the federal agency responsible for administration of the law) and evidence suggests that none of these weapons has ever been used to commit a violent crime."[


well isnt that interesting

[vrodderD]

Well, not too sure I believe that statement, but, I would venture to assume that anyone that goes through the trouble of licensing something so hard to get, would probably make sure they are damn hard to steal.

That said, in the streets of South East LA, I am sure they have plenty of stolen automatics. The key point is to not punish the law abiding but to enforce the laws that are already on the books.

[MYCAR47562]

true i would be willing to bet that maybe 1 % have been used for street violence most of the guns in se la are coming up from mexico thru runners i doubt there legally owned weapons

[cajun]

THE G has'nt been paying attention, Hussien voted several times in Il. to ban guns completly. G you need to listen to somthing besides your liberal media. When will you ever understand they will lie to you in a heartbeat. The libs hate guns. that is called invidual freedom. and goes against all socialist beliefs. U mentioned the supreme court ruling this summer, it was a 5 - 4 ruling. One liberal justice appointed by hussien and it can be reversed,and probably will be. The constitution means nothing to the libs.

[The G]

THE G has'nt been paying attention, Hussien voted several times in Il. to ban guns completly. G you need to listen to somthing besides your liberal media. When will you ever understand they will lie to you in a heartbeat. The libs hate guns. that is called invidual freedom. and goes against all socialist beliefs. U mentioned the supreme court ruling this summer, it was a 5 - 4 ruling. One liberal justice appointed by hussien and it can be reversed,and probably will be. The constitution means nothing to the libs.

Oh I have guns too,

Now if want to talk about lies look back over the last 8 years, this will keep you busy for a while. :)

[The G]

Heres a little info on who voted for the ban, it doesn't look like all liberals. :)

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=103&session=1&vote=00394

Maybe someone lied to you.

[cajun]

Oh yes i know some repulicans are just as bad as demarats,we call them rino's.

[MYCAR47562]

is that the clinton gun ban? if so why is "assualt weapons" not listed?