pro life super bowl ad

[nelson]

How much you wanna bet the militant feminists are going to scream and shriek until CBS agrees not to air the ad?

Super Bowl ad stokes U.S. abortion controversy
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2612635220100126

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More political correctness. Why does the thought that a baby was not aborted upset them so much? They should be glad their mothers chose life

[gtrman66]

I am so glad this will get aired. If it saves one life, it is worth it.

[synseer]

I am so glad this will get aired. If it saves one life, it is worth it.

<insert "I'm with them" smiley here>

[cajun]

It ain't been aired yet boy's, you an me both know how much pull the libs have with cbs, i'm a big Tebow fan but i ain't holdin my breath on this one. But,,,,i hope it does.

[MYCAR47562]

this is crap why are anything but liberal perspective's "wrong and should not be viewed"?

[cajun]

this is crap why are anything but liberal perspective's "wrong and should not be viewed"?

It's called freedom of speech my friend, the libs are free to speak, and the conservatives are free to shut the hell up. :rofl

[Motive]

Sorry, but I don't want politics on the table when I'm eatin chicken wangs and watchin football....either side of the fence....I rarely watch commercials anymore, anyway, sense I got the DVR.

[MYCAR47562]

I Am Willing To Bet Ge Will Have A Windmill Commercial In There Somewhere... Do You Have A Problem With Those?

[Motive]

I Am Willing To Bet Ge Will Have A Windmill Commercial In There Somewhere... Do You Have A Problem With Those?

Yep, see post:

Sorry, but I don't want politics on the table when I'm eatin chicken wangs and watchin football....either side of the fence....I rarely watch commercials anymore, anyway, sense I got the DVR.

I don't want to have political agenda pushed on me when I'm watching football, call it putting my head in the sand or whatever, Football is an escape, I don't want to eat and breathe political drama 24/7.

Yes, I'd also have a problem with any f**king Haiti commercials being shown during the Super Bowl as well...or commercials of starving kids of parents who are too lazy/stupid to move where some food is.

[cajun]

Yep, see post:



I don't want to have political agenda pushed on me when I'm watching football, call it putting my head in the sand or whatever, Football is an escape, I don't want to eat and breathe political drama 24/7.

Yes, I'd also have a problem with any f**king Haiti commercials being shown during the Super Bowl as well...or commercials of starving kids of parents who are too lazy/stupid to move where some food is.

Hell, Mo,,,,i know your gonna be drankin beer with them hot wangs. So when a commercial comes on........go pee :rofl

[synseer]

"Tim Tebow is taking plenty of heat for his decision to participate in a pro-life ad during the Super Bowl.

As Meredith notes below, Sarah Palin has called out the so-called "women's groups" who are trying to bully CBS into withdrawing the ad. Governor Palin rightly points out that there's nothing in the ad that's inherently demeaning to women."

http://townhall.com/blog/g/ba28f2e5-ade1-48db-a8da-aa57e373eef7

http://townhall.com/blog/g/b1cba8c9-8475-415b-821f-5f4cac58d7fe

http://carolliebau.blogspot.com/2007/12/do-me-feminist-speaks.html

[Motive]

That's for sure, after a couple times goin to wizz, I should have enough recorded on the DVR to skip commercials for a while.....

hmmm in retrospect I probably should have spelled wings correctly...

[cajun]

That's for sure, after a couple times goin to wizz, I should have enough recorded on the DVR to skip commercials for a while.....

hmmm in retrospect I probably should have spelled wings correctly...

At least ya did'nt put an "er" on em. wangers would'nt sound right :rofl

Ah hell it do make no differance, enjoy your wings an beer, and savour that Saints victory. :rofl:rofl

[Danv]

I would just like one day where i can watch an event and not be preached to.

[cajun]

I would just like one day where i can watch an event and not be preached to.

Hell,,,take an atheist cruise. :rofl

[Danv]

DO they have those?

[MYCAR47562]

... lol you think an atheist cruise wouldn't preach to you about green peace? most athiest are mother earth worshipers right?

[Motive]

It's funny, but athiests preach about not preaching....

Also funny, I knew a dude that went to an Anarchist meeting....


I'll be rootin for the Saints....there's an ex-Chief on there, most Chiefs players get rings on their next team....

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... lol you think an atheist cruise wouldn't preach to you about green peace? most athiest are mother earth worshipers right?

Conservatives get preached at about all things liberal everywhere we turn --network TV, TV shows, Movies, newspapers, etc. No wonder we like the fair and balance of Fox News.

[Motive]

Everybody's got a political agenda, a sports event should be the last bastion of peace from such things, to say the least.

When I watch the Super Bowl, I want to see on TV:

Football
Funny Beer commercials
More Football

[Remphoto]

Everybody's got a political agenda, a sports event should be the last bastion of peace from such things, to say the least.

When I watch the Super Bowl, I want to see on TV:

Football
Funny Beer commercials
More Football

I hear you, but professional sports are not exactly free of politics -- just ask Rush Limbaugh who was railroaded out of his NFL commentator role and also prohibited from buying into an NFL team. :) Personally, I am a liberal in that I have zero interest in sports and would rather be doing just about anything else...can proudly say I've never watched an entire football game. But that's just me.:D

[Jeb]

I hear you, but professional sports are not exactly free of politics -- just ask Rush Limbaugh who was railroaded out of his NFL commentator role and also prohibited from buying into an NFL team. :) Personally, I am a liberal in that I have zero interest in sports and would rather be doing just about anything else...can proudly say I've never watched an entire football game. But that's just me.:D

You are not liberal for not watching sports ...as I don't watch Football unless it is the Superbowl or a play off game. But, I do like to watch blood sports like Martial Arts UFC style! I like drag racing and I really enjoyed seeing the Texas Tornada Ben Spies win his rookie year as Champ of World Superbike! But all other sports don't interest me and I have learned that I should spend that time with the two ladies of my life and Mom and Sis don't like much football!:cool:

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You are not liberal for not watching sports ...as I don't watch Football unless it is the Superbowl or a play off game. But, I do like to watch blood sports like Martial Arts UFC style! I like drag racing and I really enjoyed seeing the Texas Tornada Ben Spies win his rookie year as Champ of World Superbike! But all other sports don't interest me and I have learned that I should spend that time with the two ladies of my life and Mom and Sis don't like much football!:cool:

Well I do like watching motorcycle and auto racing. And watching ski jumping. Other than that, I have things I prefer to do like motorcycling, shooting, reading and photography (not to mention posting on this forum). My favorite sport, though, is tweaking libs.:) Come on back TT and G, I miss you.:D

[Jeb]

I am with you on many levels!

[MYCAR47562]

ski jumping is fun kinda like nascar is fun...... your just waiting for the crash

[synseer]

Does the Lingerie Bowl count as a spectator sport?

[Motive]

I watch alot of MMA too, Football and MMA are the only sports I watch on tv.

[Jeb]

I also like to watch pistol match shooting and actually love to go to cowboy shooting matches cause they all are family events!

[coolbreeze]

It's called freedom of speech my friend, the libs are free to speak, and the conservatives are free to shut the hell up. :rofl

that's so true. :rofl

[MYCAR47562]

So Did Anyone Catch What The Anti Abortion Commercial By Teebow?

[coolbreeze]

So Did Anyone Catch What The Anti Abortion Commercial By Teebow?

Subtle pro-family ad. It was a good ad and the best ad ran during the game.

What was ridiculous was the outrage by the left and them trying to squash the running of the ad.

[Motive]

Nah, I switched to VS. during commercials, they had a WEC marathon goin on.

[nelson]

I don't understand how it could have been offensive at all. The ad said nothing about pro-life or abortion - those words were not used. It was an ad about a mother who is proud of her son. And that's it. Amazing that this type of message is so desperately fought by Planned Parenthood. I am glad there was so much press about this battle - it shows everyone in the country who Planned Parenthood really is. They do not want you to see a commercial about a proud family who are happy with the choice they made.

[nelson]

http://www.youtube.com/v/xqReTDJSdhE&hl=en_US&fs=1&

[coolbreeze]

Nelson, you're correct. Through planned parenthood's own doing, they brought a wealth of publicity to the ad.
Personally, I use to be one of those "Pro life" people who thought best to leave the decision between the woman and doctor. With increased knowledge and also learning that with most abortions, there is a child fighting for his or her life to paddle away from the sucking tube, that was all I needed to know.
Unless you are aware of the danger, you wouldn't struggle would you.


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The feminazi's are now worked up that the ad advocates violence against women because of the tackle. I kid you not.

[coolbreeze]

The feminazi's are now worked up that the ad advocates violence against women because of the tackle. I kid you not.

I'll tell you Rem, it's too bad some abortions didn't snuff out some of those pro-abortion nuts while they were in the womb themselves.

One thing that sets pro-lifers apart from pro-abortionists is that Pro-lifers will fight for all life to have a chance. Even those who would grow up misguided and deranged.
I don't know, but if a DNA test ever comes along that can predetermine whether or not Liberal or Conservative, maybe I'll have second thoughts. :)

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I'll tell you Rem, it's too bad some abortions didn't snuff out some of those pro-abortion nuts while they were in the womb themselves.

One thing that sets pro-lifers apart from pro-abortionists is that Pro-lifers will fight for all life to have a chance. Even those who would grow up misguided and deranged.
I don't know, but if a DNA test ever comes along that can predetermine whether or not Liberal or Conservative, maybe I'll have second thoughts. :)

LOL, the pro-choice crowd never seems to consider if their mothers had made a "choice" they would not be here. The whole "Choice" crowd also seems to believe the only choice should be termination of pregnacy.

Cal Thomas had a wonderful piece that puts this whole controversy into perspective:

http://www.salisburypost.com/Opinion/020610-edit-cthomas

[Motive]

I was almost aborted, money in hand and she backed out.

My childhood was shit, full of bad and repressed memories, full of neglect, and abuse....I haven't spoken to my mother in over 15 years, and that was only for about 10 minutes...so 21 years since I've actually held any kind of conversation at length. I am an only child and I never knew my father. Why bring a child to suffer this world, unwanted?

Some people should not have children, my mother was one of them. I know this means I shouldn't be here, but I wouldn't wish my childhood on anyone else. I'm very close to being totally fucked up. I know I'm tootin my own horn, but I'd hate to have seen a what a child with less strength of character, would have become in my situation. I look back at some of the things I did and the way I was and sometimes wonder how the hell I pulled through it.

If you look at some of the most fucked up people in this world, everything gets blamed on their upbringing, these people should have been aborted, or at the very least put up for adoption. Their parents should never have been allowed to breed.

Bad parenting begets more bad parenting, which is precisely why I refuse to sire any children, my genes are flawed, it goes farther back than my mother, and I won't condemn a child to suffer that.

[coolbreeze]

Sorry for such a messed up upbringing Motive. Reading your posts, one would not gather the trials you've experienced as you come through well spoken and informed, with a good sence of humor, and one who cares what's going on in the world.

It's certainly not a perfect world. Right now 10's of millions of people around the world are starving, sick and dying. The prevent their misery and exterminate them pholosphy I'm not a fan of. If you're alive and breathing at least you have a chance to make it be it a small chance for so many. No one, no matter who they are and from where they come knows what tomorrow might bring.
You're right though Motive. The character and strength of every individual no matter from what genes they come, or from the rich or poor, help determine their place and role is whatever society they are an intragal part of.

Since 1973 over 50 million babies have been aborted in America. I don't have a clue of what percentage would have been born to severely dysfunctional families, or who if anyone would be qualified to make that assumption to promote a particular abortion. It's a highly energized topic for millions and will continue to be no doubt.

[nelson]

I was almost aborted, money in hand and she backed out.

My childhood was shit, full of bad and repressed memories, full of neglect, and abuse....I haven't spoken to my mother in over 15 years, and that was only for about 10 minutes...so 21 years since I've actually held any kind of conversation at length. I am an only child and I never knew my father. Why bring a child to suffer this world, unwanted?

Some people should not have children, my mother was one of them. I know this means I shouldn't be here, but I wouldn't wish my childhood on anyone else. I'm very close to being totally fucked up. I know I'm tootin my own horn, but I'd hate to have seen a what a child with less strength of character, would have become in my situation. I look back at some of the things I did and the way I was and sometimes wonder how the hell I pulled through it.

If you look at some of the most fucked up people in this world, everything gets blamed on their upbringing, these people should have been aborted, or at the very least put up for adoption. Their parents should never have been allowed to breed.

Bad parenting begets more bad parenting, which is precisely why I refuse to sire any children, my genes are flawed, it goes farther back than my mother, and I won't condemn a child to suffer that.
I won't belittle your story, it sounds pretty rough. But I will tell you Motive that I'm glad you're here. And, I want you to know that such stories are not as uncommon as you think. Humanity has reared itself in ugly ways for a very long time, and will continue to. Every noble person who fought and died before us was not brilliantly coddled as a child; many came from terrible circumstances, unwanted, from squalor and filth that we in the present age can't even imagine. Time and time again, over thousands of years, humans have overcome those handicaps, and look where we are today. We owe them our nation and our very livelihood. Future generations will pay a similar debt to people like you who overcame your circumstances. Sadly, many of them will never know nor appreciate the tangibles and intangibles that you and I will pass on to them.

I guess my point is, regardless of the ugliness in the past, today, you count. Your mind is clear and powerful - you might do things with it than nobody else has done. And you will leave behind a legacy of value. So will we all. We could each blame our upbringing for this or that shortcoming. But why? People who have suffered much more have produced true greatness.

I agree some people should not have children. Ideally, those people should realize this, and refrain. But many will not. There is irresponsibility, and there will be unwanted children. Always. So what do we do? I think we value life as best we can. Because a long history has proven that unwanted children from horrendous circumstances are just as valuable as the most beloved children. And the beauty of childhood cannot be denied. It seems to me our closest proximity to perfection is our closest proximity to creation - we are most perfect the moment we are created, and we become less perfect over time. I honestly think we are, therefore, obligated to greatly value every soul especially those which were most recently formed, especially those which have not even been born yet. Once created it is our duty. Just my take.



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[TaxmanHog]

I was almost aborted, money in hand and she backed out.

My childhood was shit, ...............Bad parenting begets more bad parenting, which is precisely why I refuse to sire any children, my genes are flawed, it goes farther back than my mother, and I won't condemn a child to suffer that.


Glad your here, enough said! :)

Nelsons' synopsis is right on!

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Nelson and Coolbreeze did great jobs of expressing my sentiments, too. And I'm glad you are here, Motive.

My wife and I have a bit of a unique point of view in support of Life in that we adopted an infant (our son) back in 1980. This was not too long after Roe vs. Wade and there was a two year waiting list to adopt a child. We are happy his Birth Mother chose life (and our son is too. We should all be happy, also, as he is one of the good guys protecting our rear-ends as a member of the military national guard and as a civilian policeman).

Despite the large number of unwed pregnancies, children are still difficult to find for adoption. The Mom (and often grandparents) end up keeping them rather then letting them go to a more stable home. As a result, a large business is in place to go overseas to find a child for adoption.

[Motive]

I agree with some of what you guys say, but the question is, how many kids from bad homes actually come out halfway decent vs the ones that come out beating wives, raping women, hurting kids, etc...?

While it may be more true, that coming from a bad home doesn't always mean the kids are messed up, aren't most of the "bad" people in the world from bad homes?

[coolbreeze]

I agree with some of what you guys say, but the question is, how many kids from bad homes actually come out halfway decent vs the ones that come out beating wives, raping women, hurting kids, etc...?

While it may be more true, that coming from a bad home doesn't always mean the kids are messed up, aren't most of the "bad" people in the world from bad homes?

I think it's much more complicated then that motive. It's certainly the choice excuse used by the most extreme criminals, but I don't necessarily know that it's a fact. The environment both in and outside the home, it what each individual is exposed certainly can affect their disposition and morals. Then there's those who are simply evil, and evilness isn't reserved for people with broken and dysfunctional families.

[Motive]

I just don't see how forcing people, who don't want the child, into having the child, is good for the child. Technically, I'd reckon it may be better than death, but at the risk of a lifetime of suffering, who's to say which is the crueler fate?

Spending their childhood, feeling unwanted, and resented, and blamed for everything that goes wrong in their parent's lives, is no way to live. Childhood is not something you get a second chance at, and can ruin their lives.

My mother didn't want me, she even told me, that she was on the pill when she got pregnant, she just couldn't bring herself to get rid of me. I was constantly reminded on how I "ruined her life".

My father gave her the money to abort, because it would dishonor his family to have a half breed kid, being the eldest son of a Korean diplomat, and making me his first born son.

Again, I could have turned out alot worse than I did, and I wouldn't wish my childhood on anyone else...and my childhood pales in comparison to some others.

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I agree with Cool. You get good adults from good and bad home and bad kids from good and bad homes. In general good parenting is a critical factor, but it is not the only one. Many very successful people have started life in difficult homes. I would be in favor of making it easier for the children to be relinquished from abusive homes and made available for adoption. Currently it is virtually impossible without a parent's consent (no matter how rotten they are).

Motive, do you really wish you had never been born? If so, please seek some help. From what I know of you from this forum, we are glad you are here.

[Motive]

Nah, I'm glad I'm here, and I'm proud of what I've overcome, but I wouldn't willingly put another kid in my shoes.

[right$pecial]

Nah, I'm glad I'm here, and I'm proud of what I've overcome, but I wouldn't willingly put another kid in my shoes.

Methinks that alone is a testament to a level of responsibility that those in question are not capable of.

[coolbreeze]

May sound corny, but in America our founding principles stand for Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

Concerning pregnancy and life, I would prefer some drug addict, alcoholic, emotionally deranged, or immature irresponsible mother NOT have the ability to determine to kill her unborn child.

That being said, no one wants to see anyone be thrown into a life of uncertainty, misery, and hardship. But unfortunately, sometimes those circumstances are the norm for many, among all classes of people. These circumstances are also where the strongest of character is realized and built upon.

Furthermore, continuing down the road to abortion for economic, and social reasons would eventually open up a can of worms that would take us into draconian times. Life itself would become cheap, and the government would eventually decide who has the right to live for a variety of reasons across a wide spectrum of insane purposes. Some of idiot's appointees actually believe in these types of ludicrous philosophies.

Part of the problem is the value we place on life itself has been cheapened. It's time to build life back up, no matter what challenges may be faced by a newborn who may not be wanted, or even loved or decently cared for.

By lifting up life itself as precious again, that would certainly take us in a moral direction that will both motivate and inspire both parents, and their children to do the best they can to overcome life's daily challenges.
Just my two cents.

[Motive]

Part of me would say yes, to revoking parental rights to those found to be unfit, but that eats at the very core of my "small government" ideals, so that's a no.

All of your points are well taken, and make sense, but at this point I'll have to agree to disagree. I don't feel I can debate this under competent rationality, as I am emotionally involved with this topic.

[coolbreeze]

I don't feel I can debate this under competent rationality, as I am emotionally involved with this topic.

I understand Motive.

I am sorry for the despicable treatment you experienced from those whose purpose was to raise you and love you unconditionally. There is no rational reason for such neglect to one's child, and I'm sure you must realize the fought for such treatment wasn't yours at all.

As others have said, I'm glad you're here too. This forum, and I'm sure most environments and activities you partake in are certainly enhanced by your presence, participation, wisdom, insight and humor.

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I understand Motive.

I am sorry for the despicable treatment you experienced from those whose purpose was to raise you and love you unconditionally. There is no rational reason for such neglect to one's child, and I'm sure you must realize the fought for such treatment wasn't yours at all.

As others have said, I'm glad you're here too. This forum, and I'm sure most environments and activities you partake in are certainly enhanced by your presence, participation, wisdom, insight and humor.
AMEN!

[Motive]

I am a firm believer that what doesn't kill you, does make you stronger...but only if you have the strength of character to recognize it.

I've always believed that your past is what makes me what you are today, but you still have to take control of your own destiny.

[Jeb]

Me too!

[right$pecial]

I am a firm believer that what doesn't kill you, does make you stronger...but only if you have the strength of character to recognize it.

I've always believed that your past is what makes me what you are today, but you still have to take control of your own destiny.

I couldn't agree more. I, much like everyone else I expect, sometimes think about what life would be like if I had turned left instead of right(pun) and always find that it wouldn't be worth it simply because I like who I am.

[coolbreeze]

it wouldn't be worth it simply because I like who I am.

You mean like the opposite of Obama. :rofl

[right$pecial]

You mean like the opposite of Obama. :rofl

Oh come on, it's obvious the guy loves himself....so much so that he thinks everyone else does too.

[coolbreeze]

Oh come on, it's obvious the guy loves himself....so much so that he thinks everyone else does too.

There's the understatement of the century! He's more like in love with himself.