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nelson
02-11-2010, 10:03 PM
EU summit on Greece: A half-hearted effort
Vague European promises of “solidarity” with Greece may not be enough
http://www.economist.com/world/europe/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15520726&fsrc=rssThere was a strong whiff of politics in the air. German voters have been paying more than their fair share for European construction for years. Germany’s big fear when it abandoned the deutschmark, just over a decade ago, was that it would end up rescuing more profligate countries in the euro zone. Now those fears are coming true.

Yet money will almost certainly be found for Greece, if it is needed. German and French banks hold tens of billions of euros in Greek debt, and a default could spread contagion among other vulnerable economies in the euro zone, including much larger countries such as Spain. For the moment, EU leaders appear to be gambling that a political statement of support will be enough to make markets back off.



Here's another, more direct headline posted on Drudge today:

Angela Merkel dashes Greek hopes of rescue bid
German chancellor refuses to rescue Greece's ailing economy amid Berlin's domestic austerity
[url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/feb/11/germany-greece-merkel-bailout-euro (]Read more[/url)Germany is stepping totally on the brakes on financial assistance," said a senior EU diplomat. "On legal grounds, on constitutional grounds and on principle." Another senior diplomat said of the Germans: "They're not waving their chequebooks."

Sounds like Germany is cautious, playing it slowly, unwilling to pay for things indefinitely, and as a result the EU reacts immediately, afraid their financial support is waning. I am sure we have not heard the last from EU. But I can sympathize with Germany's situation: why continue to bankroll? And I find the EU's predicament all too familiar: entitlement-driven populations and corrupt governments don't bother to balance their checkbooks, they simply ask the more productive people to rescue them. Personally, I hope Germany stands firm. If they do, will the EU turn elsewhere?

Great quote from the Economist article: "an alcoholic is not helped by being given another bottle of schnapps."

Greece is a mess, and unfortunately, a glimpse at the future of the USA, should it continue its present course. My fiancee wanted to honeymoon in Greece but I vetoed that one; no way am I spending money there after everything I have read over the last year!

Motive
02-12-2010, 10:50 AM
Greece was the only country I've been to, where some of the locals were actually rude to us, the only country I actually felt a little bit unwelcome in...but damn, the Ouzo there was badass.

Jeb
02-12-2010, 08:52 PM
Where are the Spartans when you need them!

nelson
11-16-2010, 08:17 AM
Euro News courtesty of this morning's Drudge...

Germany is tired of enabling other nations' fiscal irresponsibility.

Greece, Germany Grapple Over Debt
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704584504575616033310586068.html?m od=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird

Many in Europe—particularly in Germany—are wary of simply replacing that market financing with a blank check from other euro-zone taxpayers, hence the German insistence on finding others to take some of the losses. German leaders also believe that the tough-love approach will, in the long-term, give countries the incentive to live within their means.

"Our task is to anchor a new culture of stability in Europe," German Chancellor Angela Merkel said in prepared remarks for a party congress Monday.

Read more... (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704584504575616033310586068.html?m od=WSJ_hp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsThird)

This pressure is going to come to a head.

Who wants to bet when the struggling, ultra-liberal nations of Europe will decide to use their "you Nazi" trump card?

Greek deficit much bigger than estimate
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/nov/15/greek-deficit-bigger-than-thought

In government for 13 months, the socialists have been heavily criticised by Greeks for their austerity policies. But in an interview at the weekend, Papandreou admitted for the first time that Athens may have to seek an extension of the repayment deadline. He also conceded that the revision could mean further cost-cutting.

The centre-left administration has already imposed tax hikes and wage and pension reductions that have triggered violent street protests. One well-placed insider said that, with an extra €7bn-€8bn needed by the end of the year, it was "very likely" the government would press ahead with plans to shut down parts of the bloated public sector.

Unionists backed by the Communist party have warned that further measures could prove the tipping point where popular opposition turns into explosive social unrest. Mass demonstrations and strikes are planned in the coming weeks.

Read more... (http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/nov/15/greek-deficit-bigger-than-thought[/url)

Given that the two parties in this debate identify themselves as the Socialists and the Communists, I don't think there's much hope for fiscal sanity.

TaxmanHog
11-16-2010, 01:06 PM
Time to divest my wifes euro funds!

Remphoto
11-16-2010, 01:26 PM
Substitute the word "Greece" with "California" and we have a somewhat parallel situation occurring in the US. We will be bailing out California's extravagant ways for many years to come.

TaxmanHog
11-16-2010, 06:16 PM
Done, now watch the market crash tomorrow before the transaction has completed!

nelson
11-16-2010, 08:36 PM
Wow. Our forums are prescient... anger toward Germany increases, appearing in print form, even as we speak!

Anger at Germany boils over
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b3676b46-f1ab-11df-bb5a-00144feab49a.html#axzz15UrqWPaO

...resentment has begun to boil over, with increasing accusations that Ms Merkel has put many of her fellow eurozone leaders in untenable positions in order to reinforce her own standing with German taxpayers.

“They’re unprintable at times,” said Daniel Gros, director of the Brussels-based Centre for European Policy Studies, of the angry remarks he has heard aimed towards Berlin.

Read more... (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b3676b46-f1ab-11df-bb5a-00144feab49a.html#ixzz15UsQV2Ea)

MYCAR47562
11-19-2010, 08:01 AM
Those People Are Nuts