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dmlkm
11-10-2008, 07:24 AM
I thought I heard one of the 1st things Obama is going to do is with an executive order reverse the fact that we can drill. Am I hearing things correctly?

From what I remember we are allowed to drill because most Americans are for it. How can one guy say "well, I know better, forgot what the majority says." I think, IMHO, if he does this exec order gas will start to rise again.

The G
11-10-2008, 07:41 AM
The ban was set to expire while John and palin where trying to pump up the troops. They did tell us about this. :)

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-drilling24-2008sep24,0,886635.story

Going to review GW executive orders, like drilling in National parks

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article5122336.ece

Engels
11-10-2008, 08:07 AM
John Podesta, who is working on the Obama transition team said on Sunday:

"They want to have oil and gas drilling in some of the most sensitive, fragile lands in Utah that they're going to try to do right as they are walking out the door. I think that's a mistake."


Oil and gas leases in Utah, and other states, are not now, and never have been subject to the ban on offshore development that was the subject of the campaign. Sale and development is handled by the Bureau of Land Management. The parcels in question are clustered around Arches National Park, north of Moab (See story in the Salt Lake Tribune (http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_10929954))

This story came up because the National Parks Service had concerns about drilling in an ecologically important area near one of our most beautiful National Parks. Oil and gas development will continue in other, less sensitive and important, areas throughout Utah and other States.

Two observations: Drilling is not going to make the slightest difference in the price for gas in the next several years. The maximum amounts recoverable are simply insignificant in relation to US and world demand. And, even if they were, I'm not sure it is worth destroying the environment, as well as the hunting, mountain biking, and other tourism economies of places like Moab just so you can fill up your SUV for $2.20 a gallon instead of $2.22

dmlkm
11-10-2008, 08:40 AM
Two observations: Drilling is not going to make the slightest difference in the price for gas in the next several years. The maximum amounts recoverable are simply insignificant in relation to US and world demand. And, even if they were, I'm not sure it is worth destroying the environment, as well as the hunting, mountain biking, and other tourism economies of places like Moab just so you can fill up your SUV for $2.20 a gallon instead of $2.22

Fill up your SUV? I rode my motorcycle to work. Gets in the mid to high 30s MPGs. As long as it it dry, I ride. Cold doesn't matter.

I think if other countries think we can get our own oil they will try to keep prices down but if we just give them the impression that we are dependent on them, then they will continue to rape us. Yes there are alternatives but all will take time.

The G
11-10-2008, 08:43 AM
Fill up your SUV? I rode my motorcycle to work. Gets in the mid to high 30s MPGs. As long as it it dry, I ride. Cold doesn't matter.

I think if other countries think we can get our own oil they will try to keep prices down but if we just give them the impression that we are dependent on them, then they will continue to rape us. Yes there are alternatives but all will take time. I agree

gtrman66
11-10-2008, 08:52 AM
Drill baby, drill.

The poor bicyclists will have to look at a well for a while, big deal. The oil companies should be held responsible for the clean up after the well is tapped, but there is no reason not to get at our oil and put it to good use.

MYCAR47562
11-10-2008, 09:21 AM
we need to drill we need to keep the gas prices at what there at now it cost last night the same to fill up angel's car as it did to fill my bike up 3 months ago

dmlkm
11-10-2008, 09:27 AM
we need to drill we need to keep the gas prices at what there at now it cost last night the same to fill up angel's car as it did to fill my bike up 3 months ago

It is very nice to fill up my bike for less than $10...Though I remember when I would fill up for a few bucks.

MYCAR47562
11-10-2008, 09:39 AM
Man I Havent Paid Over 6 Dollars In The Last 3 Weeks Im Loving It Ive Paid Up To 18 For A Tank Of Gas

Engels
11-10-2008, 10:14 AM
Drill baby, drill.

The poor bicyclists will have to look at a well for a while, big deal.

Well, actually its the hunting folks who are most concerned (http://www.huntinglife.com/blog/detail/threats-to-habitat-drive-trcp-to-protest-utah-energy-leases) about the way the BLM handled the oil and gas leases.

"In Utah, more than 7,800 new wells are expected in the Vernal and Price areas alone over the next 15 to 20 years," said TRCP Energy Initiative Manager Steve Belinda. "The time has come to begin planning for energy development on our public lands before we sell our mineral rights to industry. At the rate we're leasing these areas, future generations will be left hunting and fishing in industrial zones. We have a responsibility to uphold the conservation legacy launched by sportsmen such as Theodore Roosevelt more than a century ago. Our citizens - and our public lands - deserve better."

gtrman66
11-10-2008, 11:05 AM
My humble personal opinion, the government has no business owning "parks" to begin with. States... Ok, but feds... Nope.

MYCAR47562
11-10-2008, 02:38 PM
Either Way We Can All Agree Something Needs To Be Done Weather We Agree On What That Is Doesnt Really Matter Because We Dont Choose.

If We Drill More Here It Will Tell The Other Country's If Need Be We Wont Buy Any Gas From You

vrodderD
11-14-2008, 03:39 PM
John Podesta, who is working on the Obama transition team said on Sunday:

"They want to have oil and gas drilling in some of the most sensitive, fragile lands in Utah that they're going to try to do right as they are walking out the door. I think that's a mistake."


Oil and gas leases in Utah, and other states, are not now, and never have been subject to the ban on offshore development that was the subject of the campaign. Sale and development is handled by the Bureau of Land Management. The parcels in question are clustered around Arches National Park, north of Moab (See story in the Salt Lake Tribune (http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_10929954))

This story came up because the National Parks Service had concerns about drilling in an ecologically important area near one of our most beautiful National Parks. Oil and gas development will continue in other, less sensitive and important, areas throughout Utah and other States.

Two observations: Drilling is not going to make the slightest difference in the price for gas in the next several years. The maximum amounts recoverable are simply insignificant in relation to US and world demand. And, even if they were, I'm not sure it is worth destroying the environment, as well as the hunting, mountain biking, and other tourism economies of places like Moab just so you can fill up your SUV for $2.20 a gallon instead of $2.22


So what is the answer then? I hear this excuse by the democrats all the time, as is bought and paid for talking points by the tree huggers. Do we expect not to be using gasoline combustion engines in the future? Is 10 bucks a gallon cheap?

MYCAR47562
11-15-2008, 09:38 AM
good question vrodder he seems to keep repeating himself