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Teiwaz
05-30-2006, 03:00 AM
Asking "What will it take to get lasting peace" in the Middle East seems to be the wrong question. It is too broad.

What do you think can be done NOW to pave the way? What are the things that can be done at a local level, the little things that make the way for other things?

The disputes seem to be, at a grass roots level, about religion, and tribal animosity. So is there any current action with decent support to get to the KIDS before they are set against each other by the mullahs and the adults? How do you get at the coalface and teach tolerance?

It has to be an extremely long term strategy doesn't it? I met a lady, Roslyn Avnet (an attorney from Washington, and sister of John Avnet, the Hollywood Producer), in Florence in 2000. She was there to meet her son who was working with Israeli and Palestinain kids in the Gaza strip. I remember that this was when they really started throwing bombs at each other because this young guy was frantic about whether his kids were alive or dead. He was part of a Jewish program working with kids from both countries trying to instill tolerance. Don't we need more of this sort of thing?

Another issue is how to tackle the corruption that keeps the average person in poverty despite the oil generated wealth?

I just don't understand the general mindset of the people in places like Iraq where the animosity between the different religious sects is almost as bad as their unreasoning hatred of the west. I dispair of how you ever make progress in those circumstances.

PCIncorrect
05-30-2006, 10:07 AM
How can you expect a country like the US to pave the way for lasting peace in a country or countries where killing by sacrificial bombing is the norm. It is inbred into them and has been for thousands of years. The US cant pave the way to peace because no-one here (except those that have come from it) know how they think and believe.

The Middle East has been killing each other over land, religious beliefs and tribal conflicts since before Christ. The US should stay out of those conflicts except in the case where they know that a country and or its leaders is purposely planning or developing weapons to inflict harm on the free world. Then we should pre-emptive strike.

Teiwaz
05-30-2006, 05:47 PM
I tend to agree that trying to bring democracy to these regions is pointless. Let them do what they want, provided they don't threaten us. But can it really work that way? They have an abiding hate for us, they want to exterminate all infidels, so how do you live and let live with people who don't want to let you live?

Really, you just need to see the whole Middle East as a barely manageable disaster that we need to stay on top of just to stop it getting worse. Dealing with it, and fighting terrorism is just a "cost of doing business" for countries like the US, UK, Europe, Australia. You can't "fix" it, you never hear the full time whistle and get to go have a shower, and honestly, you never get to pull your troops out completely - it is an ongoing crisis management situation.

What the US needs to do is stop going after Osama Bin Laden like it's a one man witch hunt. The US needs to fight AlQaeda like a guerilla ARMY. Remove his fighters, his supporters, his supply lines. There seems to be too much focus on one man.

Marcus O'Reillius
05-30-2006, 09:42 PM
Asking "What will it take to get lasting peace" in the Middle East seems to be the wrong question.
LOL!

Actually you may have just stepped past politics and into religion!

Now all we have to do to break all the rules is add some sex...
- but I digress.

The War on Terror (or what I call WWIV with the Cold War being WWIII) is one part of global geo-politics, but there is another movement going on which has the support of the U.S., Russia, Europe, and U.N. and that is an initiative called the "Roadmap."

Both components are going on simultaneously and independently for the most part, but what happens with one will affect the other and both bear considerable watching as an observer.

Teiwaz
05-30-2006, 11:03 PM
Tell me more about Roadmap.

Marcus O'Reillius
05-31-2006, 08:24 AM
The Roadmap began in Barcelona in 1995.

It is the undercurrent to the recent evacuation of Jews in the Gaza strip which had Israeli evicting Israeli from their homes.

It has the endorsement of the leaders of the Western world and in conjunction with the UN, seeks to find a solution to the Middle East "problem."

Here are some links you can read for background information:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/mideast/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2985049.stm

http://ec.europa.eu/comm/external_relations/mepp/

http://domino.un.org/UNISPAl.NSF/3d14c9e5cdaa296d85256cbf005aa3eb/cbb88366fe68da3585256e8c0065783e!OpenDocument

http://meria.idc.ac.il/journal/2005/issue2/jv9no2a6.html