Polish President dies in plane crash in Russia

[nelson]

It's incredible news.

The revolutionary, pro-western, anti-communist president of Poland, his wife, his top military and economic officials, and nearly his entire staff, have died in a plane crash in Russia.

Astounding! The government of Poland... nearly wiped out in a single plane crash.

Why were they all loaded onto one plane in the first place? That seems particularly strange to me. Even stranger that I haven't seen any journalism investigating the reason for this. Officially, they were en route to a WW2 memorial service honoring the dead of Katyn, a massive tragedy when thousands of imprisoned Polish officers and soldiers were brutally murdered by Soviet forces.

The media have quickly and collectively concluded the crash was pure accident. From their published reports it sure seems that way. All stories point to pilot error, weather problems, or an old plane. Media is really hammering the 'thick fog, pilot defiance' line. The accident verdict was published virtually immediately, based on witness reports of Russian officials. The "black box" has been found and confiscated by the Kremlin. Putin himself, in what is being reported as a gesture of devotion, has taken charge of the investigation into the catastrophe.

Just think about it all.

Let's try a simple exercise. For just a moment, disregard any media reports you have read about this event.

Now, consider the following.

The Polish president Kaczinski has influriated Putin and the Russians on several occasions over the last couple of years alone. Poland stood firmly with Georgia when Russia invaded that nation; yesterday Georgian president Saakashvili said something incredibly evil is going on here (http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/Mikhail-Saakashvili-polish-president/2010/04/10/id/355349). Kaczinski welcomed George Bush's desire to place long range missile defense systems on Polish soil - and Russia warned they would react accordingly (http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-08-20-poland-us-deal_N.htm). Also, don't forget Poland actually borders the Russian province of Kaliningrad.

Now back to the media reports about this crash. Notice they eagerly paint the background of improving Russian-Polish relations. But think about the facts above. Remember the stories you have read in recent years. In reality, nothing could be further from the truth.

So what do you think now?

Here's the net result. Whether this really was an accident or not is actually irrelevant, because nobody east of Germany believes it was. (I'm posting from east of Germany right now.) Yesterday, I told as many people about this as I could. Nearly all of them said some version of, "It's no coincidence, in Russia they always kill people they don't like." That's an exact quote from one of my good friends here in Kiev. Here they're just not buying it. You can bet they're not buying it in Poland either.

US-Poland missile base deal riles Russia
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008-08-20-poland-us-deal_N.htm

Saakashvili: 'Something Incredibly Evil' About Kaczynski Death
http://newsmax.com/InsideCover/Mikhail-Saakashvili-polish-president/2010/04/10/id/355349

Dramatic impact on Polish politics
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304170204575175862208324380.html?m od=WSJ_latestheadlines

Poland in shock as president dies in air crash
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/7574238/Poland-in-shock-as-president-dies-in-crash.html

[Remphoto]

This is most suspicious. Even in our small company we have rules about the executive management team traveling together -- we take separate flights and vehicles. Something does not seem right here.

[coolbreeze]

This was no accident imho. A case of murder with complicity at the highest levels of other governments.

As for media reports, they had "so called" facts way too quickly. Pilot error, pilot ignoring controller, 4 attempts to land, fog, etc.

Prayers with Poland.

[gtrman66]

Wow, I never even heard this until now. Even Fox News hasn't had it on the top stories on the web.

[nelson]

So it begins; a Polish official levels the accusation. Media loves this because they can make it sound just silly. Guarantee it's a very serious matter to the Poles.

'Russia engineered air crash that killed President Kaczynski,' claims Polish MP
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1265482/Leck-Kaczynski-Russia-engineered-plane-crash-claims-Polish-MP.html

[coolbreeze]

So it begins; a Polish official levels the accusation. Media loves this because they can make it sound just silly. Guarantee it's a very serious matter to the Poles.


It sure is a very serious matter to them. Just imagine if it would have been Reagan and staff wiped out in a tragedy in the USSR. We all would have been devastated, angry, saddened and in shock.

What a coincidence these mass polish deaths happened a few months after obama threw the poles under the bus and started cozying up to the russians.

You guys know as well as I do, that one thing the Russians would have guranteed was the safe landing of the Polish president and dignataries coming to Russia to honor their 22,000 prisoners murdered by the soviets, if this wasn't a case of murder. There would be no ambiguity surrounding the arrival, as the press would have you believe. The press makes it sound as if the Polish president's plane was a stray flying blind. It's rediculous but people are believing just that. If this wasn't murder, the plane would have been escorted in, its safety assured. A giant blown out of proportion conspiricy theory isn't needed here to see that. It's an open and shut case of murder. Obama and Medeved probably toasted the tradgedy with the Russians finest vodka.

Meanwhile, obama continues his transformation of America into shit.

The odds are that oidiot will orchestrate an attack killing thousands of Americans, blame the attack on terrorists or the tea party, declare martial law to hold power, and become the first tyrant of America since its founding. Wake up people. You know this theory sounds less crazy then it would have a year ago.

The best thing for America right now would be to impeech obama and throw him out of office before its too late imho.

[nelson]

Russian and English are not easy to translate, but if you can stand this poor translation, here's a Ukrainian column with an eastern Euro perspective on the deaths.

For Your Memory and Ours
http://www.day.kiev.ua/295500/

What I know is that the Polish elite was once again killed by hatred, as in 1794 when Kosciuszko led the rebellion, as during the November 1830 and January 1863 uprisings. The Polish elite was destroyed by official — and not only official — Russia’s hatred of freedom-loving peoples, peoples aware of their national identity and with a sense of dignity.

[nelson]

This is from the Washington Times. (Emphasis added.)

Inside the Ring
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/may/13/inside-the-ring-86422687/print/

Additionally, Poland's interim government has not pressed the Russians for answers to questions about the crash, such as why Russian aviation authorities, without any investigation, ruled that pilot error caused the crash minutes after the jet crashed short of the runway in fog at Russia's Smolensk airport. Polish security and aviation authorities also were denied access to the crash site.

Public pressure is mounting on Warsaw to call for an international commission to investigate the crash. Tens of thousands of Poles already have signed a petition calling for the international probe.

Many Poles, who need little encouragement to be critical of the Russians based on past enmity, have taken to calling the crash the "second Katyn," after the 1940 Katyn Forest massacre when Russian agents killed more than 21,000 Polish officers in an effort to decimate the Polish military.

[cajun]

I like the way you think.......Coolbreeze

The best thing for America right now would be to impeech obama and throw him out of office before its too late imho

[Freethinker]

Has Obama figured out how to blame this on Bush yet?