Dictator Obama

[gtrman66]

Interesting article to steam up Engels...

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iRxZox4GFoIweckPDP1oRhKBlHOwD94CCDU00

Georgia congressman warns of Obama dictatorship
By BEN EVANS – 14 hours ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — A Republican congressman from Georgia said Monday he fears that President-elect Obama will establish a Gestapo-like security force to impose a Marxist or fascist dictatorship.

"It may sound a bit crazy and off base, but the thing is, he's the one who proposed this national security force," Rep. Paul Broun said of Obama in an interview Monday with The Associated Press. "I'm just trying to bring attention to the fact that we may — may not, I hope not — but we may have a problem with that type of philosophy of radical socialism or Marxism."

Broun cited a July speech by Obama that has circulated on the Internet in which the then-Democratic presidential candidate called for a civilian force to take some of the national security burden off the military.

"That's exactly what Hitler did in Nazi Germany and it's exactly what the Soviet Union did," Broun said. "When he's proposing to have a national security force that's answering to him, that is as strong as the U.S. military, he's showing me signs of being Marxist."

Obama's comments about a national security force came during a speech in Colorado about building a new civil service corps. Among other things, he called for expanding the nation's foreign service and doubling the size of the Peace Corps "to renew our diplomacy."

"We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set," Obama said in July. "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

Broun said he also believes Obama likely will move to ban gun ownership if he does build a national police force.

Obama has said he respects the Second Amendment right to bear arms and favors "common sense" gun laws. Gun rights advocates interpret that as meaning he'll at least enact curbs on ownership of assault weapons and concealed weapons. As an Illinois state lawmaker, Obama supported a ban on semiautomatic weapons and tighter restrictions on firearms generally.

"We can't be lulled into complacency," Broun said. "You have to remember that Adolf Hitler was elected in a democratic Germany. I'm not comparing him to Adolf Hitler. What I'm saying is there is the potential."

Obama's transition office did not respond immediately to Broun's remarks.

[gtrman66]

Obama's spokesperson (Valerie Jarrett) said 'Obama Ready to RULE on Day 1'.
~October 10, 2008

http://countusout.wordpress.com/2008/11/11/valerie-jarrett-obama-spokesperson-says-obama-ready-to-rule-on-day-1/

[MYCAR47562]

ready to rule? shouldnt she know that he doesnt rule he is just a poster boy.


now a civlian sercurity force will never go through we have a hard time getting people to join the military. what makes obama think he will get people to join the force?

[gtrman66]

The word volunteer is not mentioned.

[MYCAR47562]

good point.....


i dont see this happening, the reason being is that will show how he really thinks and that is a scary thing

["shazbat"]

Waste of funding. The Army can do it cheaper because they have the facilities and infrastructure.
Let's reinvent the wheel.
Restructure the lines of communication between all the currently existing branches of law enforcement and military, Uh wait a minute, isn't that what they talked about after 9/11, still a novel concept, should all fall under national security.
But DON"T create yet another agency that doesn't communicate with all the other related agencies already existing.
Realistically once all the troops are pulled out of Iraq and Afghanistan there will be alot of readily available troops here for reassignment and little else to do.
Perhaps they can be put to work policing our borders.

[MYCAR47562]

what about that those "tiny country's" iran and north korea do you really think they will leave us alone long enough to actually bring people home? one thing that would help us is to stop being the police officer for the world, and to bring all the soldiers home from foriegn bases. they could be our boarder control. problem solved or does he want to create a ss

[dmlkm]

I believe there is an underlying force that wants to bring down the US and what has made it great. IMHO, BO is in the crowd along with organizations such as ACORN and ACLU. This is sad and scary to read this stuff that is happening as the majority sits by and watches thinking all is well.

[MYCAR47562]

Its Amazing What A Salemen Can Talk You Into

[gtrman66]

What happened to politicians lying to us about how they are there to "serve" as opposed to "rule". If I were BO, that lady would be out on her can 5 minutes after she said that. The fact she is still around... frightening.

[MYCAR47562]

That Means He Thinks He Will "rule"

[Engels]

The fact she is still around... frightening.

I'll tell you all straight up: This sort of paranoid nonsense is in real danger of turning the forum here into a hangout for nutjobs.

Some person, not even a politician, makes a verbal slip in describing how the new administration is getting ready to assume office, and you manage to twist this into some sort of plot for dictatorship? Seriously - if you really think that is going to happen, then you need mental help. Delusional paranoia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delusional_disorder) is a serious mental illness.

So, you are all concerned about threats to our American freedom? Great! But instead of twisting every innocent word (not an actual policy, or even the suggestion of introducing a policy) why don't you take issue with some of the things that have actually happened?

Like, for instance, the USA PATRIOT act. Were you for or against this? Did you write your Congressman or Senator on this legislation? Make a blog post about it? No - its all about "catching terrorists", right?

Except, a few years later, we find out it is being used by Maryland State Police to spy (without a warrant) on a group of Catholic Nuns (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-naif/spying-on-americans-is-mi_b_138122.html). Or the NSA recording the "pillowtalk" between US troops serving overseas and their families back home. These jokers even recorded the "juiciest" bits to share with their friends.

Where were all you alleged "freedom lovers" back then? When a REAL, actual LAW was introduced by an administration, and used to shitcan numerous freedoms guaranteed us under the Constitution.

If you people want to have a serious conversation about illegal attempts by the Government to subvert our rights as Citizens, you are going to have to do a heck of a lot better than the sort of garbage I see posted in this thread.

[TexasV-Rod]

Interesting article to steam up Engels...

I'll tell you all straight up: This sort of paranoid nonsense is in real danger of turning the forum here into a hangout for nutjobs.

Hook, line and sinker!:D

[dmlkm]

If you people want to have a serious conversation about illegal attempts by the Government to subvert our rights as Citizens, you are going to have to do a heck of a lot better than the sort of garbage I see posted in this thread.

I agree with some of what you said but I find it sad you call people's opinions garbage.

On a separate, but related note - this reminds me of...I find it interesting how I'm noticing "the left" doesn't even want those that disagree with them to be able to voice their opinions. I'm seeing more and more of this. Again sad.

[MYCAR47562]

Well The Freedom Act Was Deffinatly A Thing I Supported And Wished I Wouldnt Have After I Found Out All It Ment. So Yep You Have Me There Bro. But The Twisting Of Her Words Was Just The Comic Relief Side Of What Obama Was Saying With A Seperate But Equaly As Powerful Force As The Military. Do You Really Want Something Like That?

[MYCAR47562]

I agree with some of what you said but I find it sad you call people's opinions garbage.

On a separate, but related note - this reminds me of...I find it interesting how I'm noticing "the left" doesn't even want those that disagree with them to be able to voice their opinions. I'm seeing more and more of this. Again sad.

CAN YOU SAY FAIRNESS DOCTRIANE? YES THEY WANT IT TO START AGAIN GOOD BUY ALL FREEDOM OF SPEACH

[gtrman66]

Engels makes me laugh. Lighten up. I still would have fired Valerie.

I wrote my Congressman and Senators:
Against The Patriot Act
Against The Federalization of Airport inSecurity
Against No Child Left Behind
Against The Bailout
For Building the Wall
For sending troops to the border
For balancing the budget
For the Fair tax (sales/consumption tax)

[gtrman66]

Hook, line and sinker!:D

He gets it :D

[gtrman66]

I didn't even get credit for quoting the AP (after I read the Fox News article).

[MYCAR47562]

Good Job Gtrman

[dmlkm]

CAN YOU SAY FAIRNESS DOCTRIANE? YES THEY WANT IT TO START AGAIN GOOD BUY ALL FREEDOM OF SPEACH

Right. And I like how it is called things that make it sound nice and pretty. Who doesn't want fairness...right? Until you get into the details of what it really means.

[MYCAR47562]

like the patriot act sounds good until you relize they can use it against you.

["shazbat"]

The Constitution gives us the right to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness", conversely we also have the right to give them up.
We have already allowed congress and Bush to begin that process with the lost civil liberties we gave away to fight terrorism.

[Engels]

I agree with some of what you said but I find it sad you call people's opinions garbage. .

I find it sad that so many people on this forum choose to characterise the (democratically-elected) next President of the United States as a "Dictator." The fact that they have chosen to do so on evidence that is essentially non-existent is downright pathetic.

The current President has chosen to greet and meet with the President-Elect in a spirit of reconciliation and bipartisanship. I certainly do not agree with President Bush on many issues, but he has shown some commen decency and class.

As I pointed out in another post: your freedom of speech will not in any way be impinged by me. But I give you this guarantee: If this sort of mindless reactionary nonsense is the best that you can come up, then I predict confidently that this forum will, in very short order, revert to the wasteland it has been in the past six months.

[MYCAR47562]

dude engels obama said he wants a civilian police force what about that dont you understand?, or do you think it means something else. if so what do you think it is?

[Engels]

dude engels obama said he wants a civilian police force what about that dont you understand?,


He said nothing of the sort. He was talking about possibly expanding the Civilian Conservation Corps and other volunteer organizations for young people.

In case you missed it, we already HAVE a Federal national police force: its called the FBI.

Get over it. Obama won the election. More of your fellow citizens felt he was qualified to run the country than John McCain. If you think that these people were somehow more ignorant or misinformed then you are, then you are wrong. Moreover it strikes me as the epitome of arrogance and elitism for you to assume otherwise. I have tried, very hard, to find some logical rationale for the intransigent opposition and paranoid hatred expressed by some of the people who post here. Unfortunately, I can only conclude that it comes down to a bunch of southern white men who are mad that a black man has been judged to be smarter and more accomplished than they are.

I have made my last post in this forum. Enjoy the insanity.

[gtrman66]

I find it sad that so many people on this forum choose to characterise the (democratically-elected) next President of the United States as a "Dictator." The fact that they have chosen to do so on evidence that is essentially non-existent is downright pathetic.

The current President has chosen to greet and meet with the President-Elect in a spirit of reconciliation and bipartisanship. I certainly do not agree with President Bush on many issues, but he has shown some commen decency and class.

As I pointed out in another post: your freedom of speech will not in any way be impinged by me. But I give you this guarantee: If this sort of mindless reactionary nonsense is the best that you can come up, then I predict confidently that this forum will, in very short order, revert to the wasteland it has been in the past six months.

Actually, the "dictator" comment came from a republican congressman. I find it very interesting that the comment was made... but even more so that no one is denying it and Valerie is out there flapping her gums making the congressman look pretty good. The story about the "civilian national security force" gives me shivers. The comment about spreading the wealth has me worried. BO frightens the crap out of me and more so which each passing day. You choose to ignore evidence upon evidence and get mad when anyone brings it up. You seem to be a very unhappy person.

I thought GWB meeting with BO was classy. Much better than Clinton's staff trashing the place and stealing the "W"'s off the keyboards.

Maybe the forum will resort back, maybe not. The way BO (and underlings) are handling things so far, this forum may be a sanctuary for the disillusioned... that is, until the fairness doctrine closes it up.

All I ask is; lighten up, converse, share and participate. Don't tear down those that don't agree with you. Form a cognative thought and enlighten us.

["shazbat"]

I have made my last post in this forum. Enjoy the insanity.

Hey don't get angry and run away.
Hell you should have been here when I voiced the only moderate opinions that were perceived as liberal and thus suspect. I get angry too but haven't left yet.
We all have to tolerate various levels of what we individually perceive as stupidity and you deal with it or not. As for the broad sweeping comment about the rest of the nations level of intelligence as compared to those here, I choose to ingnore that kind of baiting. Mark Twain, Churchill and others have all voiced comment on the merits and intelligence of the voting multitude and said it more eloquently than I.

[gtrman66]

"We cannot continue to rely on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded."

That is way beyond the FBI or peace corp.

Yep, Obama won. I wasn't happy when Clinton won either time, but he didn't scare the crud out of me like BO.

For the record, I was born just outside of Chicago. I choose to live in TX.

If you leave, so be it. Just don't be so angry all the time. You'll get an ulcer.

[dmlkm]

I have made my last post in this forum. Enjoy the insanity.

Not only do you sound like an angry person, but now I see you are a baby too. Wow. This is exactly what I have experienced from people that support BO. They don't even want to have a talk about things, they just want to blast you with what you should believe and that is it. No more talking allowed.

[dmlkm]

For the record, I was born just outside of Chicago. I choose to live in TX.

If you leave, so be it. Just don't be so angry all the time. You'll get an ulcer.

I was born just outside Chicago too.

And...after I posted about him being angry, I saw your post. Pretty funny.

[MYCAR47562]

wow i thought you had more gumption than just to run i dont believe any of us have been attacking you. i personally am finding it very fun and enlitining to talk to people who have other views. but if you must run then i guess its been fun ill have to try and get mor people over here in hopes of a more equal base but you know seems everyone who likes obama cant stand anybody pointing out his half truths and socialistic idea's im not really why you want to have blinders on so often.

luckily at least ghost is still around although i havent seen him in a day or so but at least we seem to keep it civil and cant help each other understand our point of views.

[Oriondk]

Ready to rule? Ready to rule?:eek::mad: You dont't rule in America. You lead. That may be one of the scariest pronunciations I've heard yet.

[MYCAR47562]

And If Mccain Would Of Said It They Would Already Been Working On The Impeachment Trial