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TexasV-Rod
11-18-2008, 05:02 PM
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/breaking-news-chinese-may-buy-gm-and-chrysler/

Chinese carmakers SAIC and Dongfeng have plans to acquire GM and Chrysler, China’s 21st Century Business Herald reports today. [A National Enquirer the paper is not. It is one of China's leading business newspapers, with a daily readership over three million.] The paper cites a senior official of China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology– the state regulator of China’s auto industry– who dropped the hint that “the auto manufacturing giants in China, such as Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC) and Dongfeng Motor Corporation, have the capability and intention to buy some assets of the two crisis-plagued American automakers.” These hints are very often followed with quick action in the Middle Kingdom. The hints were dropped just a few days after the same Chinese government gave its auto makers the go-ahead to invest abroad. And why would they do that?

A take-over of a large overseas auto maker would fit perfectly into China’s plans. As reported before, China has realized that its export chances are slim without unfettered access to foreign technology. The brand cachet of Chinese cars abroad is, shall we say, challenged. The Chinese could easily export Made-in-China VWs, Toyotas, Buicks. If their joint venture partner would let them. The solution: Buy the joint venture partner. Especially, when he’s in deep trouble.

At current market valuations (GM is worth less than Mattel) the Chinese government can afford to buy GM with petty cash. Even a hundred billion $ would barely dent China’s more than $2t in currency reserves. For nobody in the world would buying GM and (while they are at it) Chrysler make more sense than for the Chinese. Overlap? What overlap? They would gain instant access to the world’s markets with accepted brands, and proven technology.

21st Century Business Herald, obviously with input from higher-up, writes that Chinese industry must change and upgrade. China wants their factories to change from low-value-added manufacturing to technically innovative and financially-sound high-value-add industries. Says the paper: “It would be much easier now for strong Chinese automakers to go global by acquiring some assets of their U.S. counterparts in times of crisis.”

Deloitte & Touche sees a trend: “Chinese automakers can start with buying out the OEM projects and Chinese ventures of some global carmakers such as GM and Chrysler.”

The Chinese appear to have bigger plans than an accounting firm can imagine. 21st Century Business Herald acts and writes as if its already a done deal, and the beginning of more to come. “In the coming two years China is likely to see a few of its large Chinese automakers and other manufacturing enterprises set a precedent for achieving globalization by acquiring global companies, just like SAIC or Dongfeng’s possible acquisition of troubled GM or Chrysler.”

Just in case you missed it, the Shanghai Automotive Industry Corporation (SAIC) is China’s largest auto manufacturer. In 1984, the company entered a joint venture with Volkswagen. A decade later, SAIC entered a joint venture with General Motors. In 2007, SAIC bought the Nanjing Automobile Corporation, which had acquired British MG Rover in 2005.

Dongfeng Motor Corporation is a public company, although 70 percent of their shares are reported to be in government hands. They also are one of China’s Big Three. The company has numerous joint venture partners, such as Nissan, Peugeot-Citroen, Honda, and Kia. Dongfeng (which means “East Wind”) was founded at the behest of Mao Zedong himself in 1968.

vrodderD
11-18-2008, 05:30 PM
Well, that would be a quality improvement.

gtrman66
11-18-2008, 09:35 PM
lol

Honestly, I have a problem with foriegn companies buying American companies, but if the "Beg 3" (credit to Max) do not step up to the plate and make some hard choices to stay in business.... a Chinese company will have no problem at all laying off American workers...

MYCAR47562
11-19-2008, 11:06 AM
either way if china buys it or they go under our unemployment rate will shoot up

gtrman66
11-19-2008, 11:17 AM
At what point does the unemployment % rise to before we send "legal" aliens (not citizens) home and free up opportunity for Americans to take the jobs?

I am under pressure to hire Indians (dot not feather) and bring them over here for short term contract work rather than hire American contractors. It doesn't make any sense to me financially. Sure, they are cheap labor, but the cost of flying them, housing them, feeding them, documentation.... plus the language barrier, culture... why can't I have an American citizen and get them off the public dole?

dmlkm
11-19-2008, 01:55 PM
I am under pressure to hire Indians (dot not feather) and bring them over here for short term contract work rather than hire American contractors. It doesn't make any sense to me financially. Sure, they are cheap labor, but the cost of flying them, housing them, feeding them, documentation.... plus the language barrier, culture... why can't I have an American citizen and get them off the public dole?

This is very disturbing.

On Bill O last night, he had a story where 7 kids killed a Hispanic. All over the newspapers (which it should be - this is not good). Then he had a story where an illegal killed 2 woman. He told of no newspaper coverage to be found. I can't believe this is America.

gtrman66
11-19-2008, 02:14 PM
If the Chinese buy them... they deserve it:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,454844,00.html
Big Three Auto Execs Flew in Luxury Jets to Seek Multibillion-Dollar Bailout

Flying private jets to ask for $25 billion... something is wrong with their whole thought process.

MYCAR47562
11-20-2008, 07:07 AM
Its Scary If China Buy's Any Of The Big 3 They Could Easily Collapse Our Economy Shortly After. I Think I Need To Find 300 Billion And Ill Just Buy Gm

The G
11-20-2008, 03:09 PM
There would be about 3.5 million employees affected if the Big 3 should go bankrupt. With the economy in the shitter this would just put us futher in a recession. Yes the CEO's looked like a couple of smucks setting at the table begging for money after they flew in on private jets. Don't kill the working man cause these CEO's are a bunch of smucks. But this needs to be done.



There should be no money giving to CEO's for bonus or perks.

gtrman66
11-20-2008, 04:32 PM
There should be no money giving to CEO's for bonus or perks.

Agreed, but as you have seen with Bernake and Paulson, once the check is written they do whatever the f@ck they want.

The G
11-21-2008, 04:04 AM
Agreed, but as you have seen with Bernake and Paulson, once the check is written they do whatever the f@ck they want.They rushed the TARP bill and left out the important parts. I'm sure the union can help with some changes too, if they want to keep their jobs. I don't trust Paulson for a minute...................

MYCAR47562
11-24-2008, 08:25 AM
bad ju-ju

vrodderD
11-24-2008, 08:29 PM
I don't trust any of them, G. We set a dangerous precedent by bailing out AIG and it has gone south since then. If the beg 3 go under, someone else will step in that knows how to run business, I believe. Why wouldn't they? The infrastructure and people are already there and trained. Wouldn't be the first time a car company has gone under. Nash, Packard, bunch more. I hope HD is paying attention. Build a quality product and people will buy it.

MYCAR47562
11-25-2008, 07:18 AM
I don't trust any of them, G. We set a dangerous precedent by bailing out AIG and it has gone south since then. If the beg 3 go under, someone else will step in that knows how to run business, I believe. Why wouldn't they? The infrastructure and people are already there and trained. Wouldn't be the first time a car company has gone under. Nash, Packard, bunch more. I hope HD is paying attention. Build a quality product and people will buy it.

your right some one will, but when? the problem is nobody has the money to start a motorcompany not even bill gates. no bank is gonna lend money to start one up right now its to volatile, plus most of them dont have the money to lend.

i understand letting them fall, i just dont like the idea of 3 million people being out of work in a already flooded market. time to send the illegals and the legals home we need to take care of our selfs no one can argye and say that with that many people out of work that they couldn't fill the jobs lost by them

Remphoto
11-29-2008, 09:00 PM
The Beg 3 have made some progress in the last few years to build better more appealing automobiles. However, it isn't enough. The Japanese are always a step ahead in quality and launching new attractive products. The 3 still have baggage from some of the crap they built in the past. And they have not taken the drastic actions necessary to face the realities of the marketplace, i.e., why is there a Ford and and a Mercury; a chevy, buick, pontiac and GMC? Why haven't they consolidated on their own so we only have a beg 2 or 1? Thousands of weak dealers. And all those freaking company jets and the tone they set! Add to that the outrageous union contracts which pay people even when they are not working and provide retirement benefits the rest of us could only dream of. The Japanese have none of this burden, yet the people I know who work for Honda and its suppliers seem to be doing very well. Don't know what the answer is but one thing is sure, we prop them up now and they will be back to the trough again and again because they are over sized and can't produce cars for a profit that people want to buy.

MYCAR47562
11-30-2008, 06:52 PM
i believe the big 3 are exactly like the banks the banks did crappy things to screw them selfs what the big 3 has done is to allow there workers to make to much money for to long not exactly a unnoble problem if you ask me yes they are being under sold now and yes they have to cut it back but you cant throw the ceo's of the big 3 under the same bus as those thiefs

MYCAR47562
12-02-2008, 12:03 PM
http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/bbdp/ford-submits-plan-to-lawmakers/265261

this proves that they arent like the banks

MYCAR47562
12-11-2008, 08:54 AM
weather you like bailouts or not i believe this is the first one that makes sense this one truly will help our economy.
http://money.aol.com/news/articles/_a/bbdp/automaker-aid-faces-challenge-in-senate/267666

the banking industry bailout sucked im no economist but it seemed that leting the fall would have been a good thing. it would have helped alot of people get out of debt. and its not like in less than a year they wouldnt have been replaced by 2 or 3 other banks.