Illegal Immigrants teaching in our Schools

[gtrman66]

Did you see the news here in Dallas? They laid off 700 teachers/admin/support staff. Bilingual teachers were "off-limits" to the layoff. They "accidently" overspent some $84 million. Ooops.

Here's the kicker....

Over the last 4 YEARS the Dallas Independent School District (DISD) has been taking multiple "business" trips and recruiting bilingual and Spanish (why????) only speaking teachers from Mexico.

It gets worse....

DISD was handing out fake SSN numbers and fake ID's to illegal teachers until they could get their green card.

...worse...

This has been ~400 people brought into the DISD system illegally! ~40 of whom are still illegal (and not laid off).

Yep, even worse...

It turns out many of the fake SSN's given out belong to REAL Americans in Pennsylvania and they are now the victims of identity theft.

The superintendent and the board are still in place... they should all be behind bars. The bord just voted to extend their terms.

Dallas education is the laughing stock of the nation. Thank God I can homeschool my kids!

[dmlkm]

Wow. This is very disheartening.

[MYCAR47562]

That Is Beyond Crooked This Is What I Would Be Wrinting And Calling My Senator Over. I Would Have T See Head Roll On This One

["shazbat"]

This shit just infuriates me to no end.
How ever liberal I may be on other issues illegal aliens and off-shoring/out-sourcing are two issues that make me boil over.

[MYCAR47562]

i believe all of us can agree this is crap

[gtrman66]

The DISD is so corrupt.

http://www.wfaa.com/video/?z=y&nvid=303708

http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/tv/stories/112108dnmetdisdtrustees.4a43207.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/112008dnmetdisdsocialsecurity.1cbb1db3f.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/education/stories/DN-disdsocials_15met.ART0.State.Edition1.4a443b9.html

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/city/dallas/stories/110808dnmethinojosa.3498467.html

[The G]

Bush cut the buget for border control, do a search

this was bushs answer to cheap labor.

[MYCAR47562]

cut the budget didnt he double the guard? i know he said he was trying to but i dunno

[The G]

cut the budget didnt he double the guard? i know he said he was trying to but i dunno
search and you'll find it.


the funds added was after they got their work force.

[sisyphus]

The title of the thread is inaccurate: The teachers working in the Dallas schools were not "illegal aliens." They were recruited from overseas (mainly Mexico and Spain) and were legally in the US on valid work visas. None have been subject to deportation procedings brought by the INS, nor have any of them been arrested or charged with overstaying their visas, or with attempting to stay or work in the U.S. illegally. Since these guest workers entered the U.S. legally, probably on airplane flights from Madrid or Mexico City, the lack of Border Patrol agents with nightvision goggles and sniper rifles is something of a moot point in this discussion.

The school district definitely did make a mistake in assigning these workers "fake" Social Security numbers - and such actions should be investigated and punished as such. But again, the SS numbers were in no way used to defraud the Social Security System, nor were the "fake" numbers used by the teachers concerned to fraudulently get social security or other benefits.

So: "illegal immigrants" are NOT teaching in Dallas schools. The administrators of the DISD (all, presumably, U.S. citizens) are the people who screwed up.

From one of the Dallas Morning News articles:

"The numbers were not used to facilitate their working. Every school district in the Southwest has H-1B [visa] bilingual schoolteachers simply because there is such a dire need for bilingual teachers. This was a payroll issue, not an employment issue."

Hint: Its helpful to actually read the whole article before launching a tirade of righteous indignation. It would be a lot easier to take some of the discussions on this forum seriously if you folks would do a little fact checking first.

[gtrman66]

I still stand by the fact that if they needed fake SSN's, then they are not here legally. If you cannot understand that then there is no hope left for you.

Many of the teachers are NOT Bilingual. Many speak Spanish only.

US Citizens were laid off and these "guest workers" were kept. That is wrong. If you want "fairness" then where are the Phillipino, Vietnamese, Chinese, Kenyan.... speaking teachers????

[sisyphus]

They didn't "have" fake SS numbers.

The school district needed to have social security numbers to put on forms or enter into databases. As H1-B visa holders, the foreign teachers did not (immediately) have social security numbers. So the School District made them up for them. For all I know, the foreign teachers weren't even aware that this was being done.

As H1-B visa holders, the foreign teachers were legally entitled to apply for Social Security numbers and cards. It is possible than many of them did in fact HAVE SS numbers. Where the school district screwed up is in not informing the teachers that they needed to do so, and then in not getting the correct information back.

It may or may not be "fair" - but it is hardly going to be doing the kids who need Spanish-speaking teachers any good if the school district had hired people who were either a) unable to speak Spanish fluently or b) not qualified to be teachers.

Generally speaking H1-B visa holders need to have at least a bachelors degree, and they are legally limited to three years in the US before returning to their home country. Their employer in the US also needs to prove that qualified US residents are unavailable to do the work.

[gtrman66]

BS, BS BS...

"The Dallas Morning News has heard from several people around the country who were concerned that DISD possibly issued their Social Security number to someone. Their Social Security numbers begin with "200" – the same prefix that DISD began its false numbers with."

"Also, when investigators reviewed a sampling of personnel files, they learned that the fake numbers were entered on Department of Homeland Security and IRS forms. "

That is identify theft plain and simple. Somone at DISD should go to jail.

It still does not address why US CITIZENS were replaced with "guest workers". Immersion is still the best way to learn a language. Unless you are from a Spanish speaking country, that is the way you learn. And many non-Spanish students have already shown that they outpace the ESL kids by far!

To have 400 "guest workers" in a US school system that laid off 400 US CITIZENS is a crime.

[sisyphus]

The point remains, the people working as teachers are not, and never were "illegal aliens" or anything like it.

Keep home schooling your kids. Hopefully they'll end up just as well informed as good old Dad.

[gtrman66]

That will be an honor.

My oldest daughter and I regularly watch Colbert, laugh and discuss. She's very informed and a little more to center than I am. She's read Coulter, Hannity, Savage... she doesn't always agree... which to me is very cool. She can discuss her opinions at a very high level.

I might concede they are not illegal... although I think there is still some room for argument. If you enter the country and cannot work because you do not have all your documents in order... then technically you are illegal until such time you have the required information in your possession.

The assigning of the temporary numbers used to report back to Homeland Insecurity (sic) and numbers used that matched people in PA is still a criminal act.

The number 1 problem still remains. "Guest Workers" replaced US Citizens in jobs they are fully capable of performing. They were teachers, admins, janitors, counselors etc... torn from their jobs. I say it again. That in itself is a criminal act.

[MYCAR47562]

I Think It's A Disgrace That They Are Harboring These Students And Allowing Them To Not Learn English They Should Be Forced To This Country's Main Language English

[dmlkm]

The point remains, the people working as teachers are not, and never were "illegal aliens" or anything like it.

Keep home schooling your kids. Hopefully they'll end up just as well informed as good old Dad.

This really reminds me of my children. They argue one point and miss the heart of the matter. I'll ask them just that. What is the heart of the matter. To me, the heart is not whether or not these individuals are illegal. There is much more to it than that.