Ron Paul

[nelson]

Starting a new thread specifically for Ron Paul updates. I'll try and keep the Ron Paul news consolidated here.

Yesterday (1/18/12) presidential campaign or no, Paul ensured he was in Washington DC to formally oppose the debt ceiling increase:

You can't solve the problem of debt by accumulating more debt.

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He also took the opportunity to stand up for American citizens by bashing the NDAA power grab.

This is precisely the kind of egregious distortion of justice that Americans have always ridiculed in so many dictatorships overseas.

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[TaxmanHog]

3rd in the Delegate race at this date.

[Jeb]

He might as well be on planet Mars (where many of his support comes from)as he will never be President of anything! He has some great ideas and I for one am on board for ending the Fed and returning to fiscal responsible policy! However, as an advocate for Veteran's issues I can't stand to hear him speak about the war in Iraq. When he actually blamed America in the debate for 911 it was all I could stand as I can get that from Soros' Media Matters all damn day! He can amass all the delegates he wants but he is not real careful he will help Obama and not the cause he defends!

[nelson]

I agree that Paul could help Obama.

But Pat Buchanan wrote an interesting piece that talks about why Paul won't run 3rd party:

The True Believer
http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan208.html

I tend to agree with Buchanan that Paul's son being in the senate changes things this time around. If so that should help alleviate GOP fears.

But it does not alleviate mine. Unfortunately I don't think the GOP's interests are ours. Another run of the mill RINO will not change much - they will all grow the state. George W. Bush was well-intentioned (listen to his campaign interviews before he was elected) then once in office he helped grow the state... massively. In the end the only real difference between today's GOP and the Democrats is their rhetoric. Gingrich, Romney, and Santorum do not want to end the wars, bring our troops home, audit the Fed, and they won't seek true fiscal responsibility. Fixing this country is going to take someone who can stick to principles no matter what, someone who is not purchasable by lobbyists, someone who doesn't care what the media says. Instead of such a man, the GOP is going to give us another waffling, hypocritical politician who will say one thing and do another.

I think the GOP is in the same business as the Democrats. Appease the masses with whatever rhetoric while working to grow government. Polarize the population to distract them while taking away their liberties. Loot the masses using the Federal Reserve, and spread the wealth to your cronies.

[Jeb]

When you say GOP you really mean the Elite "Progressives" that started with Teddy Roosevelt don't you? I have been part of the Gop my entire life staring as a Young Marine. I know exacly what you mean about the Bush' including that "Talking Duck" Jeb Bush. All are big Federal Govt progressive statist! When Reagan did the "68" address for Goldwater we saw the two sides of the GOP and they hated him in the leadership. Reagan forced their hand in 1979 and drug them along. You can see the hate even in Romney's eyes as he looks at Newt! Newt did govern the house as a conservative.
Once again Nelson you are right about much but don't through the baby out with the bath water. We need to understand that lobbying is no more the bad guy than my gun is guilty of murder! I am one of 4,000,000 in the NRA and they are one of the largest lobbyist! It is the corrurtion of power and the ignoring the will of the people! But only the people can take back our party and return it to the founding principles!

[TaxmanHog]

offering Ron Paul either Treasury Secretary or

If I was Mitt Romney I’d be looking at harnessing all that excitement and passion by offering Ron Paul either Treasury Secretary or Federal Reserve Chairman – and announcing it to the world. Embrace Ron Paul, bring him and his son Senator Rand Paul into your inner circle, and give them an important role at the GOP Convention. Sure, just being the anti-Obama could win the election, but having the enthusiasm and passion of Paul's supporters will ice the victory. Embracing the Ron Paul phenomenon is the key to beating Obama in November.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/02/04/understanding-ron-paul-phenomenon/#ixzz1lYvgnUE2

[TaxmanHog]

Interesting, fact or fiction.......


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[nelson]

Frightening vid Taxman, I hope it doesn't happen. Seems unlikely we will see Weimar or South America style hyperinflation here in the US. But currency collapse will come if nothing changes. Today's leaders are simply postponing it.

We the people must wise up and choose otherwise: other currencies, other leaders, other policies. Problem is, we the apathetic are the worst offenders, focused on entertainment and distraction and enabling the catastrophe.

offering Ron Paul either Treasury Secretary orIf I was Mitt Romney I’d be looking at harnessing all that excitement and passion by offering Ron Paul either Treasury Secretary or Federal Reserve Chairman – and announcing it to the world. Embrace Ron Paul, bring him and his son Senator Rand Paul into your inner circle, and give them an important role at the GOP Convention. Sure, just being the anti-Obama could win the election, but having the enthusiasm and passion of Paul's supporters will ice the victory. Embracing the Ron Paul phenomenon is the key to beating Obama in November.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/...#ixzz1lYvgnUE2This sounds like a very sensible proposal and it could be something Paul has tossed around in his mind. Heck even I could support Romney if he made Ron Paul Treasury Secretary or put him in the Federal Reserve driver's seat. But Romney's top donors are: Goldman Sachs ($499,430), JPMorgan Chase & Co ($322,400), Morgan Stanley ($281,350), Credit Suisse Group ($277,250), Citigroup Inc ($267,050), Bank of America ($213,650)... and the list goes on (source (http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?cycle=2012&id=N00000286)). Would he royally screw them all?

[nelson]

Something is very wrong with the GOP nomination. We know media is blacking out Ron Paul, but I think the GOP is blacking him out too...

Here's a chart of the 'official' tally of Ron Paul votes received in 2008 vs. 2012:

http://i.imgur.com/uxz8b.jpg

Nevada is a libertarian state if there ever was one. Yet, no gains for Ron Paul in Nevada?

I have suspected manipulation ever since seeing the huge crowds following Dr. Paul, and the rock star like receptions he's getting. But Romney taking 50% in Nevada, and even Gingrich leading Dr. Paul... something is wrong.

GOP mandate: You WILL get more of the same. Whether you like it or not.

[nelson]

Paul camp cries fraud over Nevada Caucus results
http://www.examiner.com/independent-in-national/paul-camp-cries-fraud-over-nevada-caucus-results

[Jeb]

Look, they can only manipulate a race if it is close as they did in Iowa to Santorium, as he really won and anytime it is that close they should not have called it until the official tally. But you can't think they can erase a significant lead like Romney had in Nevada! The elites strength and power of manipulation lies in their ability to convince the public through a willingly media, that only Romney can win and thereby supress the base from voting. And of course they could cheat like Dems with Absentee ballots but even that is primarily done through polls. Paul just cannot reach out past his large loyal following due to his nutjob foriegn policy beliefs! Most Americans do not believe that American caused 911!

[TaxmanHog]

MN event

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[nelson]

I think we are manipulated in more ways than just media propaganda (although I agree that is the primary tool). Add Maine to the list of states with questionable results. Jeb you have pointed out that we shouldn't give up on the GOP, and I've long been in that camp, but the GOP is not our friend! I am coming to despise them almost as much as the Dems.

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I think mainstream foreign policy is nutty. Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, and Obama are all pushing for more war, and media supports their efforts with the exact same propaganda we heard rolling into Iraq. Israel is invoked to tug at your emotions, ignoring how Netanyahu said time and time again they don't want our help. Already we are using sanctions and threats to instigate Iran, which will be an absolute catastrophe, in order to issue government contracts to rebuild another nation. To accomplish this we will spread our troops even thinner, and dig ourselves into even greater economic enslavement. I honestly can't think of anything nuttier! The other candidates even want to further instigate China. If we continue with this foreign policy, we must expect it will come back to haunt us in future attacks. Now consider meddling has been our foreign policy for generations - put that in the 9-11 pipe and smoke it! Guys, we are being played! The right plays conservatives just as well as the left plays the bleeding hearts. The establishment is using our patriotism and our love for this country to print money, swell government and build its new world order.

I think sticking to non-interventionism as advocated by our Founders is the most sane policy of all.

Check into the top donor organizations for all the candidates. Big banks and corporations! Now check Ron Paul's top donors: http://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/contrib.php?cycle=2012&id=N00005906 ... really, take a good look and think about it!

[nelson]

This article does a fair job of assessing GOP risk with regard to Ron Paul:

Ron Paul and the Pink Slip That Could Decide the Election
http://blogs.reuters.com/jack-and-suzy-welch/2012/01/26/ron-paul-and-the-pink-slip-that-could-decide-the-election/

Paul is not really the GOP’s problem. It’s his followers, perhaps as much as 15 percent of the general electorate, many of them young, vocal and highly energized. Like Paul himself, they’re not exactly party regulars. No, Paul and his followers promise to be a lot like that fired employee who, if “handled” incorrectly at farewell, will make it his life’s work to, if not bring your organization down, at least show you how very wrong you were to cut the cord.

Read more... (http://blogs.reuters.com/jack-and-suzy-welch/2012/01/26/ron-paul-and-the-pink-slip-that-could-decide-the-election/)

[TaxmanHog]

This article does a fair job of assessing GOP risk with regard to Ron Paul:

I hope they pay him some form of respect, but I wonder if he would accede to this?

Certainly not at the moment, since his influence is tied to the perception of beinag an outsider, if he takes the pay-off, would some followers get upset thinking he has abandoned his convictions?

Maybe this will come closer to or at the convention, allowing him to maximize the collection of slightly left of center folks who are finally seeing the realty of the radical liberal agenda.

[Remphoto]

Great analysis by Jack Welch, Nelson. I agree, Paul and his supporters must be treated carefully when the bottom totally falls out of their effort. Some commentators seem to think that Paul supporters are split down the middle as to their affinity toward a Republican or Democrat candidate in the absence of Ron as a choice.

The most active of the Paulbots in our area are praying for a brokered convention. They think that somehow Paul will emerge as the compromise candidate of choice. I think that is about as likely as Sarah Palin being that person, but one can always dream.

[TaxmanHog]

Fantastic & inspirational speech by Charlie Chaplin from 1940.
Mind-blowing (and quite worrying) how much of it is still relevant today.
Real change is needed.

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