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Johnny Dangerously
01-15-2009, 02:12 PM
Can We Agree...

To disagree agreeably? Quit the name calling (on both sides of the aisle), open up the country to honest and cordial debate?

To quit being so quick to blame America first for everything that happens in this world? Given the context of our short history of 233 years, our country has liberated more people, done more to end world hunger, contributed more to the advancement of the world's standard of living, led some of the greatest peace and humanitarian efforts than any other country in the world. We deserve credit for that, and we need to quit tucking our tails between our legs every time someone in France or Germany or Italy or the (worthless) U.N. doesn't happen to like what we do. As one who has lived many years abroad and worked directly with many foreign nationals I can tell you that the ones who are honest will admit that the animosity towards the U.S. is, in most cases sheer jealousy.

That being the world's sole remaining Superpower is not a crime and nothing to be ashamed of if that power and influence is used properly (see above)? These people who think we should all be "equal" are naive to think that will last. Someone WILL be on top - I'd rather it be us than some South American Dictator or (dare I say) Islamic extremist. Does anyone here think Hugo Chavez would do anything about Darfur, or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will do anything if Russia suddenly invades Poland?

That "being tolerant" needs to go both ways? Yes, I'll be tolerant of your (ahem) alternate lifestyle, if you'll be tolerant of my preference to not have you fanning your flames in my face. I'll be tolerant of your desire to not work if you'll be tolerant of my desire to not support you. I'll be tolerant and comply with your desire to not call you the "N" word if you'll comply with my desire to not have the race card thrown in my face at the drop of the hat.

That this country was built on the hard work, ingenuity, and tenacity of Americans who came from ALL corners of the globe, all socioeconomic background with the fundamental belief that no one owes them a living (or a plasma screen TV for that matter) and that everything they get needs to come from their own desire to overcome the obstacles in life that we all face (be it race, body style, preferences - sexual or otherwise, etc.)? There are stories of people who have overcome every obstacle known to man simply because they had the desire to not let those obstacles defeat them. Why should we be any different???

That no matter what happens SOMEONE is invariably going to get offended? This business of walking on eggshells because someone's black, or not being able to disqualify someone for a position because their appearance doesn't fit with the corporate image (e.g. "tackle box face" wanting to work with the public). We ALL have our disadvantages and suffer some form of discrimination - Life's not fair and never will be. Get over it!

That in some cases war is necessary and often unavoidable. The best we can hope for is to choose the time, place, and weaponry thereby giving ourselves a distinct advantage over the enemy. Wars will be fought; it's just a matter of who's going to win. I want to be on that winning side - always!

That with very few exceptions our politicians at the local, state and Federal level have given themselves to rabid cynicism and, rather than seeing themselves as representatives of the people, mostly see themselves as our caretakers? This is an outrage in a nation of people who don't take kindly to someone who patronizes them.

That a distinct double standard in behavior and accountability exists (and is growing) between the left and the right - with the left being given the advantage? I could cite many instances of this, but I've gone longer than I intended anyway.

That the mainstream press has even dropped all pretenses of objectivity - Chris Matthews, Sam Donaldson, CNN, NYT, Washington Post - nuff said.

That because I pay taxes, and I’m a citizen, and this country has been an English speaking country since before it’s independence from Great Britain; it’s OK for me to expect people in this country who want to do business with me and want to drive our roads and want to navigate our welfare system, etc, etc to do so in English so that my tax money doesn’t go to translators and bi-lingual signage?

And last but certainly not least, that when someone's STATED goal is to kill us, that it's at least OK to splash a little water in their face and make them go without dessert to hopefully pull some information out of them that will save our lives and the lives of our service men and women?

:gun:

nelson
01-15-2009, 03:05 PM
Yes. Very well said and thanks for this post.

Denigrating someone you disagree with will serve no purpose... except to harden them.

Much of the world is emotional and irrational. They will dislike the USA because of its phenomenal success. Many hold their hands out for aid, casting aspersions under their breath. Others deny US leadership while themselves following the model. The most lucid care nothing about this soap opera; they know that, given the right environment, human beings can achieve incredible greatness, and that a tremendous example of this environment began in 1776.

Leaders are often attacked. If the attacking mob is big enough, a leader can be ripped to shreds. But you are right, there is no shame in leadership. And even the best leaders aren't always going to be right.

There is a difference between being considerate, and being politically correct. One is voluntary. The other destroys you if you don't comply.

The mainstream media in this country has abused their position, pushing their own agenda for decades, greatly influenced the minds of many of their followers, and finally they're paying for it. Because not everyone follows.

Unity, not diversity, binds a country together. A common language is one such unity.

And when someone who abides by no international laws or rules comes to decapitate my family, I'm going to do whatever it takes to protect myself.

Johnny Dangerously
01-15-2009, 03:13 PM
There is a difference between being considerate, and being politically correct. One is voluntary. The other destroys you if you don't comply.

Unity, not diversity, binds a country together. A common language is one such unity.



Both extremely profound statements.

Thanks for the reply and thanks for the additional thoughts.

MYCAR47562
01-15-2009, 03:59 PM
Wow That Was A Couple Really Good Posts If I Would Have Wrote Something That Long I Would Have Ended Up Talking About Fried Chicken Somewhere

Johnny Dangerously
01-15-2009, 04:30 PM
Wow That Was A Couple Really Good Posts If I Would Have Wrote Something That Long I Would Have Ended Up Talking About Fried Chicken Somewhere

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

The G
01-15-2009, 04:43 PM
Its really really hard to do. :)

Johnny Dangerously
01-15-2009, 04:44 PM
Its really really hard to do. :)

AGREED... :D

But at least we can keep the lines of communication open even if we disagree, eh?

MYCAR47562
01-15-2009, 04:45 PM
Its really really hard to do. :)

NOT REALLY YOU BRING THE OIL TO A LOW BOIL THROW A LITTLE EGG AND FLOWER ON A CHICKEN AND COOK IT TO YOUR LIKING



IT CAN BE HARD TO AGREE TO DISAGREE BUT AT TIMES AND WITH CERTIAN PEOPLE YOU JUST HAVE TO.

cajun
01-15-2009, 06:18 PM
Damn Johnny, I don't know what ur runnin for but you got my vote, where do i sent my contribution? No actualy that was a damn fine post ,and right on the money, but as iv'e said before i think we have gone to far, the parties are so polorized they will never meet in the middle.

Max
01-15-2009, 07:38 PM
Thanks, that did need to be said. Not sure why people can't just argue the point without making it personal attacks.

TaxmanHog
01-15-2009, 08:27 PM
Can We Agree...

To disagree agreeably? Quit the name calling (on both sides of the aisle), open up the country to honest and cordial debate?...........

:gun:

Nice!:)

scol
01-15-2009, 08:39 PM
Thanks, that did need to be said. Not sure why people can't just argue the point without making it personal attacks.

Politics is a very personal thing and when one side feels threatened that they're rights are going to get trampled on by the other party, it gets personal fast real fast. Your not arguing theology here, it's about life and I feel threatened when someone starts talking about taking my rights away. People that served in uniform swore to uphold the constitution when we left the military I don't remember renouncing that oath. So no promises from me on not getting personal. I've been around to dam long to be pushed around by some egocentric, elitist anyone, I WILL stand in the middle of the road. I'm 63 and I'm mad as hell that people are sooo politically correct that my-our country is in peril because of them. Throw me off the forum if you want, but I intend to piss people off, if that's what it takes to get them thinking for themselves.

MYCAR47562
01-16-2009, 02:22 AM
while i share some of your reactions scol one of our main concerns right now is to start getting non v-rodders to join so at leasst for a while putting up with some is a must. but on the same hand debate them to death just don't use name calling

Remphoto
01-16-2009, 09:49 AM
The heroism of the pilots and first responders to the Hudson River plane crash reminds me that Americans like to argue and bicker, but when the time comes, we can work together. This country was built on a system that permits and encourages debate. If one thinks the current debate is toxic, just review some of the editorial content from the early days of our country. I agree we can all (myself included) resort to fewer personal attacks and counter-attacks.

Johnny Dangerously
01-16-2009, 09:54 AM
The heroism of the pilots and first responders to the Hudson River plane crash reminds me that Americans like to argue and bicker, but when the time comes, we can work together. This country was built on a system that permits and encourages debate. If one thinks the current debate is toxic, just review some of the editorial content from the early days of our country. I agree we can all (myself included) resort to fewer personal attacks and counter-attacks.

Now THAT'S the kind of Hope I can have the audacity to believe in... :D

gtrman66
01-16-2009, 10:18 AM
I will try my hardest to refrain from name calling or put-downs. There are those that tend towards the baser instincts, and I must try to stay above that level as much as possible.

MYCAR47562
01-16-2009, 12:18 PM
i can try but no promises

cajun
01-16-2009, 04:57 PM
Shit, i thought this forum was goin to be fun, when we gonna start singin cumbaya?

Johnny Dangerously
01-16-2009, 04:58 PM
Shit, i thought this forum was goin to be fun, when we gonna start singin cumbaya?

:rofl:rofl:
Clearly you haven't had a chance yet to read some of the other threads that have been floating around today... :D

cajun
01-16-2009, 04:59 PM
Wrong, i have just read everything posted today,about 50 posts

MYCAR47562
01-16-2009, 05:20 PM
we are starting to get more p/c it does seem to be a drag down

Remphoto
01-16-2009, 05:36 PM
:rofl:rofl:
Clearly you haven't had a chance yet to read some of the other threads that have been floating around today... :D

Come on Cajun, toss one out there and let's get a rumble going. How about on criminals being the products of single households? Or how America has the richest poor people in the world? Or about limousine liberals and the arts & croissant crowd? Or Global Warming when it was -20 in Ohio today? The Libs just offer up so many sacred cows to slaughter.:D

cajun
01-16-2009, 06:41 PM
OK, i'm sorry. The damn republicans in washington are allways kissin the dems asses , to get along, show how nice we are, were above that, we don't play dirty, and then we git our face slapped. I'm just tired of it. The republicans need to learn how to play this game. Even when we had the majority we were in the minority . We are afraid to assert ourselves.we don't want to look mean. Just look at the debackle we had gittin some supreme court judges appointed. And how many vacant judicial seats are there right now? The deals that were made to get appointments never came to fuision. This is a war for the soul of our country and sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omellete. If you can't take the heat , git the hell out of the kitchen. Holdin hands and singing cumbaya will only git a knife in ur back,wake up guys. Politics is a dirty game,and we better learn how to play. I guess this should be under Rant.

MYCAR47562
01-16-2009, 06:48 PM
Do We Sink To Thier Level Or Do We Do It Our Own Way

cajun
01-16-2009, 06:53 PM
We've been doin it our way since the Rep. took over in 92 and where did it get us?