Rush Limbaugh's Twisted Logic:

[Engels]

The thing I love about radio comedian Rush Limbaugh is that he is so consistently inconsistent.

For example, take a look at today's "Stack of Stuff Quick Hits (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011609/content/01125104.guest.html)"

In Story #6 he claims that the "drive bys" (Limbaugh's derisive name for actual working journalists) are "trickling" out good economic news. That as part of some conspiracy, those lazy communist journalists have decided to start letting out the news that some parts of the economy are looking up in time for Barack Obama's inaugural.

So according to Rush, things are getting better, right?

Not so fast! Because just two stories down in Story #8 he cites Matt Drudge (always my go-to guy for informed economic opinion) as proof that: "The Stimulus Isn't Working" - that because Circuit City closed its stores, and some other companies are laying people off, that the stimulus is a failure.

So really, which way is it, Rush? Are things getting better (because of the brilliant Republican economic policies of the past eight years)? Or are things getting worse (because of the awful Obama economic policies, which haven't actually started yet)? Either way - I guess you've got things covered.

Which sort of goes to explain why so many of your listeners are just so totally confused on just about everything.

[Johnny Dangerously]

OK, where do I start?

The thing I love about radio comedian Rush Limbaugh is that he is so consistently inconsistent.

For example, take a look at today's "Stack of Stuff Quick Hits (http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011609/content/01125104.guest.html)"

In Story #6 he claims that the "drive bys" (Limbaugh's derisive name for actual working journalists) are "trickling" out good economic news. That as part of some conspiracy, those lazy communist journalists have decided to start letting out the news that some parts of the economy are looking up in time for Barack Obama's inaugural.

So according to Rush, things are getting better, right?

Not so fast! Because just two stories down in Story #8 he cites Matt Drudge (always my go-to guy for informed economic opinion).... Umm.... perfessor - check the source, yes he's talking about Drudge Headlines, but it's just a link on Drudge that goes to CNBC, which last time I checked was at least one or two folks' "go-to" places for ecnomonic news.

...as proof that: "The Stimulus Isn't Working" - that because Circuit City closed its stores, and some other companies are laying people off, that the stimulus is a failure.

So really, which way is it, Rush? Are things getting better (because of the brilliant Republican economic policies of the past eight years)? Or are things getting worse (because of the awful Obama economic policies, which haven't actually started yet)? Either way - I guess you've got things covered. OK, not sure how you got that Rush is in conflict with himself here. A summary of what he's say is that the liberal media who are in the tank for the big BO are beginning to jawbone the economy now that Obama's coronation (errr.... I mean inauguration) is imminent because they know that some of the problem is perception. The libs have been trash talking the economy which, although admittedly is in trouble isn't exactly the "economy since the last depression" as they are so fond of saying. He's not agreeing with the press.

Then he's pointing out that the stimulus plan is not working which is pretty much unrelated to the other story. So... twist it however you want, but this post make no sense.

Which sort of goes to explain why so many of your listeners are just so totally confused on just about everything. Oh yeah so many in fact that Rush is the undisputed #1 radio talk show host in the country. His ratings beat everyone by such a longshot he's in a league of his own. I don't get a chance to listen to his show very much, but when I do I don't hear very many people who are calling in that appear to be confused, maybe a few libs, but not his main fan base.

[sisyphus]

OK, not sure how you got that Rush is in conflict with himself here..

Lets start with this: Drive-Bys Trickle Out Optimistic Economic News (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28691801/) opens up with an MSNBC story that some credit markets are beginning to thaw.

Let's just stop here for moment, and remember that most of the economic bailout activity over the past few months has been directly aimed at the national and international credit markets. So, apparently, the part of the "stimulus" that has actually been put into play is, maybe, just maybe, going to work. Despite the months of ill-informed ranting against it on his show.

But then, his dumbness Lord Limbaugh bloviates in Story #8, which starts with a Breitbart article (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D95OBUM00&show_article=1&catnum=0), noting that Circuit City is closing its stores.

Now college drop-out, prescription drug abuser Limbaugh claims that this is somehow evidence that:

They already know that there has already been a $750 billion or $850 billion stimulus back last fall, and they are telling us that these stimuli are nothing, they are firing people, they're closing stores. It's not working, folks

Earth to Reichsmarshall Limbaugh: A Government capital injection into the nations banks wasn't going to save Circuit City. It wasn't designed to do so, and quite frankly CC was doomed long before the housing bubble popped.

But either way: He is taking economic news on both sides of the "it's getting better/it's getting worse" divide, and claiming that each justify his deranged (and frankly incorrect) weltanschung.

[Johnny Dangerously]

Lets start with this: Drive-Bys Trickle Out Optimistic Economic News (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28691801/) opens up with an MSNBC story that some credit markets are beginning to thaw.

Let's just stop here for moment, and remember that most of the economic bailout activity over the past few months has been directly aimed at the national and international credit markets. So, apparently, the part of the "stimulus" that has actually been put into play is, maybe, just maybe, going to work. Despite the months of ill-informed ranting against it on his show.

But then, his dumbness Lord Limbaugh bloviates in Story #8, which starts with a Breitbart article (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D95OBUM00&show_article=1&catnum=0), noting that Circuit City is closing its stores.

Now college drop-out, prescription drug abuser Limbaugh claims that this is somehow evidence that:

They already know that there has already been a $750 billion or $850 billion stimulus back last fall, and they are telling us that these stimuli are nothing, they are firing people, they're closing stores. It's not working, folks

Earth to Reichsmarshall Limbaugh: A Government capital injection into the nations banks wasn't going to save Circuit City. It wasn't designed to do so, and quite frankly CC was doomed long before the housing bubble popped.

But either way: He is taking economic news on both sides of the "it's getting better/it's getting worse" divide, and claiming that each justify his deranged (and frankly incorrect) weltanschung.

Still not seein' it. Guess I'm just dense that way... :confused:

[The G]

Hows he doing with his drug problem ?:)

[Johnny Dangerously]

Hows he doing with his drug problem ?:)

How's that relevant to this discussion? All this touchy feely compassion garbage you libs preach seems to only go one way.

If we were talking about dems how would it help to mention Kennedy Jr's DUI of last year? Not one whit.

Again, when you can't go toe to toe on substance you stoop to personal attacks. You never disappoint.

[MYCAR47562]

How's that relevant to this discussion? All this touchy feely compassion garbage you libs preach seems to only go one way.

If we were talking about dems how would it help to mention Kennedy Jr's DUI of last year? Not one whit.

Again, when you can't go toe to toe on substance you stoop to personal attacks. You never disappoint.

OUCH THAT HURT ME AND I HAVE NO REAL FEELING IN THIS ONE

[The G]

I hope hes doing better.

[Johnny Dangerously]

I hope hes doing better.

Yeah he is. Much better. I'll tell Rush you asked about him...

[The G]

Yeah he is. Much better. I'll tell Rush you asked about him...
:rofl: thanks

[Remphoto]

You Libs are so jealous that Rush had audience and your guys can't attract any listeners. Then you tune in and out and take his remarks and his shtick out of context. You cannot compete with him on facts so you take the cheap shots. He is laughing all the way to the bank and his listeners are laughing at you, too.

[The G]

You Libs are so jealous that Rush had audience and your guys can't attract any listeners. Then you tune in and out and take his remarks and his shtick out of context. You cannot compete with him on facts so you take the cheap shots. He is laughing all the way to the bank and his listeners are laughing at you, too.
ya thats it you have us figured out :rofl:

[Engels]

The fact that there are 12 million or so delusional nutcases (in a nation of more than 300 million) doesn't bother us in the least. That leaves a comfortable 288 million or so people who don't waste our time listening to him. NPR's weekly audience is comfortably estimated to be twice Limbaugh's; which doesn't even begin to count all those people who get their editorial content from CBS, CNN, MSNBC, and the comrades down at the New York Times.

Its pretty hard to take Limbaugh out of context - for the simply reason that he himself regularly takes news items out of context. He rails against the "elite liberal media" - yet he himself has no sources of information other the media he professes to detest. Furthermore he has no journalistic training or background. He apparently hires no fact-checkers or other editorial staff - about the only conclusion one can make from the number of times his show is cited on Media Matters and other non-partisan media watchdog organizations.

Limbaugh is a master at "cherry picking" his news stories, which is the key to understanding him. Whatever the topic, his staff will comb through the news wires looking for a story that somehow backs up whatever line of baloney he's peddling.

The other key to understanding Limbaugh is to realize that he thrives on divisiness. People coming together to find common ground on any issue, from immigration to tax reform, simply aren't good for his sort of business.

Lastly, you need to understand how difficult the actual art of being a talk radio host is: You've got to sit by yourself in room, and start talking. What you say has to not only come out in some sort of fluid, basically grammatical form, but it has (at least on the surface) to make some sort of logical sense. You also get none of the sort of verbal and visual feedback you get when people talk normally to each other. You also need to say things that will get people's attention - but too much. Because, almost by definition, people listening to talk radio are doing something else at the same time: driving, working at their computer, doing the dishes. If people weren't doing something else - they'd be watching television.

[Remphoto]

The fact that there are 12 million or so delusional nutcases (in a nation of more than 300 million) doesn't bother us in the least. That leaves a comfortable 288 million or so people who don't waste our time listening to him. NPR's weekly audience is comfortably estimated to be twice Limbaugh's; which doesn't even begin to count all those people who get their editorial content from CBS, CNN, MSNBC, and the comrades down at the New York Times.

Its pretty hard to take Limbaugh out of context - for the simply reason that he himself regularly takes news items out of context. He rails against the "elite liberal media" - yet he himself has no sources of information other the media he professes to detest. Furthermore he has no journalistic training or background. He apparently hires no fact-checkers or other editorial staff - about the only conclusion one can make from the number of times his show is cited on Media Matters and other non-partisan media watchdog organizations.

Limbaugh is a master at "cherry picking" his news stories, which is the key to understanding him. Whatever the topic, his staff will comb through the news wires looking for a story that somehow backs up whatever line of baloney he's peddling.

The other key to understanding Limbaugh is to realize that he thrives on divisiness. People coming together to find common ground on any issue, from immigration to tax reform, simply aren't good for his sort of business.

Lastly, you need to understand how difficult the actual art of being a talk radio host is: You've got to sit by yourself in room, and start talking. What you say has to not only come out in some sort of fluid, basically grammatical form, but it has (at least on the surface) to make some sort of logical sense. You also get none of the sort of verbal and visual feedback you get when people talk normally to each other. You also need to say things that will get people's attention - but too much. Because, almost by definition, people listening to talk radio are doing something else at the same time: driving, working at their computer, doing the dishes. If people weren't doing something else - they'd be watching television.

From your response it is evident that you do not get it at all and doubt you have obtained any direct information on him other than what you have picked up second hand from the liberal blogs. Therefore it is senseless to attempt a rational argument concerning him.

But I will ask one question: If he is so insignificant why is the mere mention of his name like throwing gasoline on the fire with Liberals? Liberal rhetoric toward him is even more inflammatory than what is thrown at GB, and that is saying something. The heated responses regarding him on this forum prove this point.

[nelson]

He's just one guy. There are... what... two people who have strong media presences and advocate "conservatism." The score is practically two versus infinity. You wouldn't think Rush's mere existence would rile so many. He presents a viewpoint that is different than the same underlying themes we all are consistently fed by the mainstream media (entitlement, victimization, racism & retroactive justice, class warfare, global warming and penance, environmental destruction, international law, American empire building, freedom fighting terrorists, diversity and tolerance over achievement, etc).

Why, when the score is two vs. infinity, would the side of "tolerance" be so bent on the destruction of the two?

Personally I find him interesting and enlightening.

[MYCAR47562]

I Never Listened To Rush But Shawn Hannity Is Very Good I Enjoy Listening

[TaxmanHog]

Damn...... I missed Glen Beck's opening Show on Fox this afternoon!

[Remphoto]

Damn...... I missed Glen Beck's opening Show on Fox this afternoon!

I caught part of it and my wife TIVO'd it. He was good. Interviewed the wives of the commuted border patrol officers and interviewed Sarah. Hated to see him leave CNN - they needed a conservative voice. My wife is a huge Beck fan - had tickets to his "Christmas Sweater" show in Cleveland but had to cancel due to weather (darn global warming).

[cajun]

I to wish he had stayed on CNN, His new time slot sucks, i won't be able to tune in very often. I listen to Rush every day, he has so many stations i can pick him up just about anywhere, the one true Conservative in a sea of RINO's. Between McCain and L Gramnasty i want to pull my hair out sometimes.

[Johnny Dangerously]

You Libs are so jealous that Rush had audience and your guys can't attract any listeners. Then you tune in and out and take his remarks and his shtick out of context. You cannot compete with him on facts so you take the cheap shots. He is laughing all the way to the bank and his listeners are laughing at you, too.

EXACTLY!!! The truth in its purest form. Thanks Rem.

[Johnny Dangerously]

The fact that there are 12 million or so delusional nutcases (in a nation of more than 300 million) doesn't bother us in the least. That leaves a comfortable 288 million or so people who don't waste our time listening to him. NPR's weekly audience is comfortably estimated to be twice Limbaugh's; which doesn't even begin to count all those people who get their editorial content from CBS, CNN, MSNBC, and the comrades down at the New York Times.

Its pretty hard to take Limbaugh out of context - for the simply reason that he himself regularly takes news items out of context. He rails against the "elite liberal media" - yet he himself has no sources of information other the media he professes to detest. Furthermore he has no journalistic training or background. He apparently hires no fact-checkers or other editorial staff - about the only conclusion one can make from the number of times his show is cited on Media Matters and other non-partisan media watchdog organizations.

Limbaugh is a master at "cherry picking" his news stories, which is the key to understanding him. Whatever the topic, his staff will comb through the news wires looking for a story that somehow backs up whatever line of baloney he's peddling.

The other key to understanding Limbaugh is to realize that he thrives on divisiness. People coming together to find common ground on any issue, from immigration to tax reform, simply aren't good for his sort of business.

Lastly, you need to understand how difficult the actual art of being a talk radio host is: You've got to sit by yourself in room, and start talking. What you say has to not only come out in some sort of fluid, basically grammatical form, but it has (at least on the surface) to make some sort of logical sense. You also get none of the sort of verbal and visual feedback you get when people talk normally to each other. You also need to say things that will get people's attention - but too much. Because, almost by definition, people listening to talk radio are doing something else at the same time: driving, working at their computer, doing the dishes. If people weren't doing something else - they'd be watching television.

Ahem, can I have the attention of the class please? Will the Real Slim Shady please stand up? We're gonna have a problem here...

I find it interesting that you guys think Rush is so irrelevant, yet you're so obsessed with him. Since he's not an elected official and according to many libs doesn't have any impact on public policy why would you guys want to spend soooo much time talking about him? I think there's this latent love affair going on here. Perhaps you guys really like him, but just don't want to admit it for fear of being social outcasts in your own circles.

I'm not a psychologist, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night... :rofl:rofl:rofl

[Engels]

If you want just one example of why liberals, to say nothing of most mainstream Americans, find Limbaugh a revolting example of "conservatism", take a look at his continual playing of the "Barack the Magic Negro" song.

If he'd played it once - maybe it you could look at it as humor, albeit misplaced. But he has made it a staple of his show - at which point it really has become nothing more than race-baiting. Appealling to the worst instincts of the worst people in America.

The thing that makes it more pathetic is that it shows how out-of-touch Limbaugh et al are with the rest of the country. "Puff the Magic Dragon" was a hit for Peter Paul & Mary in 1963. Most voters today have never heard the original. And Al Sharpton, who gained (rightful) notoriety in the Tawana Brawley case did so in 1987 - again, well before the consciousness of most voters. The average age of listeners to Limbaugh's show is in the mid 50s.

Barack Obama won voters 30 and under by more than two to one. He also did similarly well among all non-white voters. Do you think that Asian-Americans or Hispanics are going to be thrilled by the conservative ideology if its main spokesperson shovels out frankly rascist crap like that song?

Get with the picture, conservatives. The tide of history is against you if you don't.

[MYCAR47562]

History You Hear That? Dude This Aint History This Is A Mixed Mut As Most Of The Black People Called Mixed Kids Around Here. He Isn't Black He Is Mixed Big Diffence There. Oh He Grew Up During Rough Times. Well That's His Mother's Hippie Ass's Fault If She Would Have Gotten A Job He Wouldn't Have.

Now As Far As Barack The Magic Negro Haven't Heard The Song So Can't Comment On It But If It's Like The Rest Of The Things Ive Seen Called Racist Lately, It Probally Is No Where Near Racist.

[Remphoto]

History You Hear That? Dude This Aint History This Is A Mixed Mut As Most Of The Black People Called Mixed Kids Around Here. He Isn't Black He Is Mixed Big Diffence There. Oh He Grew Up During Rough Times. Well That's His Mother's Hippie Ass's Fault If She Would Have Gotten A Job He Wouldn't Have.

Now As Far As Barack The Magic Negro Haven't Heard The Song So Can't Comment On It But If It's Like The Rest Of The Things Ive Seen Called Racist Lately, It Probally Is No Where Near Racist.

The song is not racist. Great example of how the media took something and blew it out of proportion with their own negative spin. The song was released by that great musical satirist Paul Shankland more than a year ago, but guess who made an issue out of it right before the election? The "magic negro" term was coined by a writer for the LA Times and Sharpton's words in the song reflect comments he made. I guess "negro" is now politically incorrect...hard to keep ones terminology safe without a scorecard.

[Johnny Dangerously]

If you want just one example of why liberals, to say nothing of most mainstream Americans, find Limbaugh a revolting example of "conservatism", take a look at his continual playing of the "Barack the Magic Negro" song.

If he'd played it once - maybe it you could look at it as humor, albeit misplaced. But he has made it a staple of his show - at which point it really has become nothing more than race-baiting. Appealling to the worst instincts of the worst people in America.

The thing that makes it more pathetic is that it shows how out-of-touch Limbaugh et al are with the rest of the country. "Puff the Magic Dragon" was a hit for Peter Paul & Mary in 1963. Most voters today have never heard the original. And Al Sharpton, who gained (rightful) notoriety in the Tawana Brawley case did so in 1987 - again, well before the consciousness of most voters. The average age of listeners to Limbaugh's show is in the mid 50s.

Barack Obama won voters 30 and under by more than two to one. He also did similarly well among all non-white voters. Do you think that Asian-Americans or Hispanics are going to be thrilled by the conservative ideology if its main spokesperson shovels out frankly rascist crap like that song?

Get with the picture, conservatives. The tide of history is against you if you don't.

Again, this obsession. For folks who claim that Rush is so irrelevant, you all seem to be pretty well in tune with what goes on with his show.

Dude, you wanna talk about race baiting, let's go for it! How about Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, et al? They've made a multi million dollar industry out of race baiting. If all racism in American were to magically disappear they'd be greeters at Wal Mart...

[Engels]

Well the current chairman of the Republican National Committee (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/27/gop-blasts-magic-negro-cd-distributed-republican-operative/) had this to say about the song:

"The 2008 election was a wake-up call for Republicans to reach out and bring more people into our party, ..... I am shocked and appalled that anyone would think this is appropriate, as it clearly does not move us in the right direction."

[Engels]

How about Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, et al? ...

How about TWENTY YEARS AGO when that, maybe, was relevant?

Playing to old racist fools is not going to win the Republicans too many more elections.

[Johnny Dangerously]

Well the current chairman of the Republican National Committee (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/27/gop-blasts-magic-negro-cd-distributed-republican-operative/) had this to say about the song:

"The 2008 election was a wake-up call for Republicans to reach out and bring more people into our party, ..... I am shocked and appalled that anyone would think this is appropriate, as it clearly does not move us in the right direction."

And... your point?

:confused:

[MYCAR47562]

Well the current chairman of the Republican National Committee (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2008/12/27/gop-blasts-magic-negro-cd-distributed-republican-operative/) had this to say about the song:

"The 2008 election was a wake-up call for Republicans to reach out and bring more people into our party, ..... I am shocked and appalled that anyone would think this is appropriate, as it clearly does not move us in the right direction."

WELL OF COURSE HE WOULD SAY THAT IF THEY SOME HOW TWISTED PEOPLE'S PRECEPTION OF MARY HAD A LITTLE LAMB INTO THINKING THE SONG WAS ABOUT BARACK BEING A SHEEP KILLER THEN HE WOULD SAY THE SAME THING HE IS COVERING HIS BUTT PRETTY PATHETIC IF YOU ASK ME BUT THAT'S WHAT HE IS DOING

[Johnny Dangerously]

How about TWENTY YEARS AGO when that, maybe, was relevant?

:eek::eek:Hunnnhhh???? Whutchu tokkin' bout Willis???

Those guys get their mugs on in front of the camera anytime someone even mentions anything remotely to do with something negative about people of color. They are constantly prognosticating on why this or that is racist, yadda, yadda.... They are CURRENT events and they make a big bidness out of perpetuating the so-called race war. I'll contend they are the weapons of mass destruction in this war. If it weren't for people like them there'd be a whole lot less racism on BOTH end ends of the pigment spectrum...
:gun:

[MYCAR47562]

:eek::eek:Hunnnhhh???? Whutchu tokkin' bout Willis???

Those guys get their mugs on in front of the camera anytime someone even mentions anything remotely to do with something negative about people of color. They are constantly prognosticating on why this or that is racist, yadda, yadda.... They are CURRENT events and they make a big bidness out of perpetuating the so-called race war. I'll contend they are the weapons of mass destruction in this war. If it weren't for people like them there'd be a whole lot less racism on BOTH end ends of the pigment spectrum...
:gun:

IM AGREE ALL THEY DO IS PUSH THE RACE'S FURTHER APART EVERYTIME THEY TALK

[Remphoto]

...And lets not forget Bill Clinton and his race baiting during the primaries. The Dems (including BO) have always been the first to play the race card. And let's face it, if BO were white, there is no way a person of his limited qualifications would have been elected president. Call it white guilt or affirmative action at its worst, but this is what the result becomes. Now go ahead and call me a racist, Libs, which is always the response when a a sacred cow is slaughtered.

[Johnny Dangerously]

...And lets not forget Bill Clinton and his race baiting during the primaries. The Dems (including BO) have always been the first to play the race card. And let's face it, if BO were white, there is no way a person of his limited qualifications would have been elected president. Call it white guilt or affirmative action at its worst, but this is what the result becomes. Now go ahead and call me a racist, Libs, which is always the response when a a sacred cow is slaughtered.

Excellent point! I'd give you Kudos if I had any left.

Sorry I ate 'em all...:D

[Engels]

Of course - once again conservatives CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

You asked why Rush Limbaugh is detested - I told you just one very good reason. Ask just about any African-American person you care to what he thinks of Rush Limbaugh and Bill Clinton.

They'll tell you that Rush Limbaugh is hate-filled fool; and that Bill Clinton was a darned good President.

Keep changing the subject. It means you've admitted you lost the argument.

[Johnny Dangerously]

Of course - once again conservatives CHANGE THE SUBJECT.

You asked why Rush Limbaugh is detested - I told you just one very good reason. Ask just about any African-American person you care to what he thinks of Rush Limbaugh and Bill Clinton.

They'll tell you that Rush Limbaugh is hate-filled fool; and that Bill Clinton was a darned good President.

Keep changing the subject. It means you've admitted you lost the argument.


I just asked Mr. Snerdly (one of Rush's employees) and he thinks Rush is a pretty good guy. Oh, yeah so does Walter Williams who often fills in for him, and Thomas Sowell who is a frequent guest of his, and that football player (somebody help me out here his name escapes me) that he talks to all the time during football season on his show. OH! But those guys are just "uncle tommin' it aren't they???

:eek:

[Engels]

Mr. Snerdly? Don't make me laugh. The guy probably gets paid $100,000 a year to work 10 hours a week, maybe. He's hardly what you would call an unbiased source of opinion on the African-American community's attitude towards Rush Limbaugh

I suspect that most of the people responding to this thread either a) don't actually know any African-American people or b) would be afraid to admit to them that they listened to Rush Limbaugh.

Again: I might, possibly have a shred of respect for the "conservative" opinion, if only you people would have the guts to actually stick to the issue at hand.

Rush Limbaugh is detested because he a) habitually lies and distorts issues on his shows; b) uses divisive issues such as race and religion to stir up hatred amongst his audience; c) is a proven hypocrite; and d) is predictably and consistently wrong on most, if not all, of the issues he talks about.

Try sticking to discussing Rush Limbaugh in this thread. Answers referring to anyone EXCEPT Rush Limbaugh will count as an immediate concession of the argument. Mention Bill Clinton? BZZZZZ You lose! Ditto for William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, or the eilte liberal media. Got that?

[Remphoto]

Conservative African-Americans are one of the secrets Libs like to ignore. I'll add a few more prominent names: JC Watts, Clarence Thomas, Ohio's own Ken Blackwell (a good guy who I know personally), Condi Rice, Michael Steele, Larry Elder and the list goes on and on.

And BTW Engels, we'll talk about anything we want to on here - no one (other than Max) makes the rules. The readers can decide who is conceding. And by the way all those accusations you made about Rush are wrong and prove you don't get it. I would add that they do apply to your sides "statesman", Keith Olbermann.

[Johnny Dangerously]

Mr. Snerdly? Don't make me laugh. The guy probably gets paid $100,000 a year to work 10 hours a week, maybe. He's hardly what you would call an unbiased source of opinion on the African-American community's attitude towards Rush Limbaugh

I suspect that most of the people responding to this thread either a) don't actually know any African-American people or b) would be afraid to admit to them that they listened to Rush Limbaugh.

Again: I might, possibly have a shred of respect for the "conservative" opinion, if only you people would have the guts to actually stick to the issue at hand.

Rush Limbaugh is detested because he a) habitually lies and distorts issues on his shows; b) uses divisive issues such as race and religion to stir up hatred amongst his audience; c) is a proven hypocrite; and d) is predictably and consistently wrong on most, if not all, of the issues he talks about.

Try sticking to discussing Rush Limbaugh in this thread. Answers referring to anyone EXCEPT Rush Limbaugh will count as an immediate concession of the argument. Mention Bill Clinton? BZZZZZ You lose! Ditto for William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, or the eilte liberal media. Got that?

Sure, yeah, pick one of the several African Americans (in Oklahoma we still get to call them "black" but I'm practicing my senesitivity) out of the list I gave and and don't address the others. I could name several more, but why waste the effort. Talk about not adressing the issue at hand - All I did was answer your question directly and without redirection, so whazzup????

And I suppose you would like all the rest of that human debris to be off limits. They're kind of an achilles heel for you guys aren't they? I wouldn't want them brought up either. I don't mind discussing Rush a bit because he has honor and class unlike your list, so... OK we'll play be your rules. I suppose you don't let your tennis partner have a racket either???

[Engels]

You can talk about whatever you want - but I started this thread discussing Rush Limbaugh. If you want to go on a rant complaining that George Wallace was an example of a Democratic party racist thats up to you. But it simply proves to me that you either don't understand how to conduct an intelligent debate, or you are conceding that you don't have a decent argument to contradict the assertion that I made: that Limbaugh is a lying, hypocritical, race-baiting, fool.

Give me some proof that Limbaugh does not habitually distort the truth on his show, or that it has some redeeming social value beyond giving cheap yucks to bored sadists - and I'll continue the conversation.

[Johnny Dangerously]

You can talk about whatever you want - but I started this thread discussing Rush Limbaugh. If you want to go on a rant complaining that George Wallace was an example of a Democratic party racist thats up to you. But it simply proves to me that you either don't understand how to conduct an intelligent debate, or you are conceding that you don't have a decent argument to contradict the assertion that I made: that Limbaugh is a lying, hypocritical, race-baiting, fool.

Give me some proof that Limbaugh does not habitually distort the truth on his show, or that it has some redeeming social value beyond giving cheap yucks to bored sadists - and I'll continue the conversation.


I'm impressed. I figured this was about the time you'd issue a "Fuck Off".

Again, you call Rush a race baiter, I contend there are those (whom I can't name here because you took my racket away) who have made race baiting a fine art, not to mention a livelihood...

I'm not here to defend Rush - just the truth.

[Engels]

Look at what Colin Powell says in this interview:

Colin Powell on the future of the Republican Party (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zflu8WYo5c0)

Republicans and conservatives simply cannot go on promoting "values" that alienate large swathes of the population: African-Americans, Latinos, Asians, young people, college graduates, etc. etc.

In twenty years caucasian people will be a minority in this country. If the events of today do not provide a very clear example of how the world, and this country, have changed in the past twenty years, then I don't know what does. The reason the outgoing Republican Chairman made the statement about the "Magic Negro" song is because he is concerned about the future of his party. Maybe YOU think that song is funny - but the fact of the matter is a lot of people find it deeply offensive. Maybe you don't care about offending those people. But then don't be surprised if "conservative" candidates who court the support of people like Limbaugh keep losing elections. THATS the truth.

[Johnny Dangerously]

Look at what Colin Powell says in this interview:

Colin Powell on the future of the Republican Party (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zflu8WYo5c0)

Republicans and conservatives simply cannot go on promoting "values" that alienate large swathes of the population: African-Americans, Latinos, Asians, young people, college graduates, etc. etc.

In twenty years caucasian people will be a minority in this country. If the events of today do not provide a very clear example of how the world, and this country, have changed in the past twenty years, then I don't know what does. The reason the outgoing Republican Chairman made the statement about the "Magic Negro" song is because he is concerned about the future of his party. Maybe YOU think that song is funny - but the fact of the matter is a lot of people find it deeply offensive. Maybe you don't care about offending those people. But then don't be surprised if "conservative" candidates who court the support of people like Limbaugh keep losing elections. THATS the truth.

This, the same Colin Powell who endorsed BO? OK, I'll bet you can find some quotes from Conyers, Rangel, Sheila Jackson Leigh, etc. too... :confused:

[Engels]

Its the same Colin Powell who served as Secretary of State in a Republican administration, capping off a highly distinguished military career.

If you are comparing Mr. Snerdly and Colin Powell as examples of conservative African-American opinion - then I guess I'd go with Colin Powell as being a slightly more respectable source.

And, for the record: Has anyone actually asked Condi Rice or Clarence Thomas what they think of the "Magic Negro" song? Because until I actually see a verifiable quote that indicates they're down with Rush and the "Magic Negro" - I'm gonna count 'em as "undecided"

[Johnny Dangerously]

Engels, dude this is getting to be like clubbing baby seals man. It's not even a challenge anymore... [yawn]

[Engels]

If you really think you've proven to anyone that Rush Limbaugh is anything other than a lying sack of racist shit, then you need to go back on whatever meds he's selling you on his website.

[Johnny Dangerously]

If you really think you've proven to anyone that Rush Limbaugh is anything other than a lying sack of racist shit, then you need to go back on whatever meds he's selling you on his website.

'ere ya go!!! I knew you'd get there. Now down to your lowest common denominator. Again, clubbing baby seals man.

[Remphoto]

If you really think you've proven to anyone that Rush Limbaugh is anything other than a lying sack of racist shit, then you need to go back on whatever meds he's selling you on his website.

Now the name calling begins again. YAWN..And BTW, Clarence Thomas performed the marriage ceremony for one of Rush's weddings (the last one I believe).:D

[Johnny Dangerously]

Now the name calling begins again. YAWN..And BTW, Clarence Thomas performed the marriage ceremony for one of Rush's weddings (the last one I believe).:D

Excellent point! AND in fact, Justice Thomas was on Rush's show one time. But again to be fair to Engels, those folks are "real" black people... only people he agrees with can bear that title.

[Engels]

I made two main points regarding Limbaugh:

1) He used two news stories with diametrically opposed inferences (the economy is getting better/the economy is getting worse) to support whatever economic/political positions he is espousing. I questioned the logical impossibility of this.

I received no coherent arguments refuting or even disputing this.

and

2) Limbaugh's continued use of the "Magic Negro" song on his show was highly offensive, not only to large numbers of African-Americans, but to senior members of the Republican Party.

To which I received precisely zero convincing, or even plausible, arguments that it was somehow not offensive to large numbers of African-Americans or senior Republic officials.

Keep telling each "ditto" and "mega ditto" - but as far as this thread is concerned, I'm done talking with you.

[Remphoto]

If you are so intellectually honest, I would challenge any of the Anti-Limbaugh liberals on this forum to read the following long, detailed story/interview with Rush Limbaugh. It appeared in your vaunted New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/06/magazine/06Limbaugh-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

This reporter actually gets it. Not sure if he still has a job at the NYT, though.:D

[gtrman66]

The "magic negro" comments came from a black liberal, David Ehrenstein.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/01/obama_the_magic_negrogate.html

It was "your guys" Engles that opened that box.

Be that as it may. I heard Rush (for the first time in many years) on Sean Hannity tonight.

I agree, if BO cuts taxas and gov't spending, I want him to succeed.

If he expands gov't intervention, healthcare, bailouts, etc... then yes, I want him to fail spectacularly.

[gtrman66]

Look at what Colin Powell says ....

Colin Powell is a RINO like Shwarzenegger and Guillianni.

[cajun]

Want him to fail!!!! your damn right i want him to fail. Socialism is not for the U.S.A.