Obama citizenship case: A waste of time

[truthteller]

Hear Ye! Hear Ye!

A Federal judge today threw out a case questioning (http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jvhtmoNEnyP1Bu6Ol4zJsN94mlewD96O5TV03) President Barack Obama's citizenship - and asked the plaintiff to show cause why he should NOT have to pay Obama's legal bills for bringing an essentially frivolous lawsuit.

"This case, if it were allowed to proceed, would deserve mention in one of those books that seek to prove that the law is foolish or that America has too many lawyers with not enough to do," U.S. District Judge James Robertson said in his written opinion.

On a related note, America is no danger of running out of logic-deprived Southern dimwits with not enough to do either.

[Max]

So your saying that it doesn't matter if he really is or was a citizen of the US? I guess I don't understand, you know the president wouldn't even have a legal fee for this matter so what would it hurt? Maybe we should be asking what about the aunt? I mean does being the big shot give him the right to ignore our laws, his family thinks so.

I thought that leaders led by example, if our current leaders are setting examples they are pretty piss poor examples.

[cajun]

TT ur an asshole

[gtrman66]

Bush didn't fire enough judges. He should of pulled a Clinton and fired them all.

[MYCAR47562]

He Doesn't Care About The Constitution

[truthteller]

Correction:

This forum is total waste of my time.

[MYCAR47562]

Obviously

[gtrman66]

Correction:

This forum is total waste of my time.

:rofl:

[MYCAR47562]

HERE YOU GO TRUTH I FOUND THIS FOR YOU

http://www.iamanidiot.com/

[The G]

This was nothing but a bunch of red neck hating that a black man got elected. As far as I'm concern they can kiss his a$$. :D

[Max]

OMG this goes from an open attack on anyone from the south to the race card. You must be kidding, TT if you expected anything but an attack after what you posted then your much dumber then I thought you were. I know you think your smart because you have an education, what you lack is common sense.

TT your one of the same people that is worried about rights of terrorist, you worry about the rights of everyone but your quick to step all over this persons right because you don't agree with it. If the person has the money and thinks they may have a case then I say let it proceed. Your talking about judges that allow people to sue and get millions for pouring hot coffee on THEMSELVES but you don't think this person has the right to follow what ever they think? I think it is already the right of BHO to counter sue for cost and if he has a case then it wouldn't matter and would end the whole story.

[The G]

Not to stir the bucket with my good friend, but here some fact about that coffee suit. People like to use this case to argue against people having the right to file law suits.

McFacts about the McDonalds Coffee Lawsuit

Everyone knows what you're talking about when you mention "the McDonald's lawsuit." Even though this case was decided in August of 1994, for many Americans it continues to represent the "problem" with our civil justice system.

The business community and insurance industry have done much to perpetuate this case. They don't want us to forget it. They know it helps them convince politicians that "tort reform" and other restrictions on juries is needed. And worse, they know it poisons the minds of citizens who sit on juries.

Unfortunately, not all the facts have been communicated - facts that put the case and the monetary award to the 81-year old plaintiff in a significantly different light.

According to the Wall Street journal, McDonald's callousness was the issue and even jurors who thought the case was just a tempest in a coffee pot were overwhelmed by the evidence against the Corporation.

The facts of the case, which caused a jury of six men and six women to find McDonald's coffee was unreasonably dangerous and had caused enough human misery and suffering that no one should be made to suffer exposure to such excessively hot coffee again, will shock and amaze you:

McFact No. 1: For years, McDonald's had known they had a problem with the way they make their coffee - that their coffee was served much hotter (at least 20 degrees more so) than at other restaurants.

McFact No. 2: McDonald's knew its coffee sometimes caused serious injuries - more than 700 incidents of scalding coffee burns in the past decade have been settled by the Corporation - and yet they never so much as consulted a burn expert regarding the issue.

McFact No. 3: The woman involved in this infamous case suffered very serious injuries - third degree burns on her groin, thighs and buttocks that required skin grafts and a seven-day hospital stay.

McFact No. 4: The woman, an 81-year old former department store clerk who had never before filed suit against anyone, said she wouldn't have brought the lawsuit against McDonald's had the Corporation not dismissed her request for compensation for medical bills.

McFact No. 5: A McDonald's quality assurance manager testified in the case that the Corporation was aware of the risk of serving dangerously hot coffee and had no plans to either turn down the heat or to post warning about the possibility of severe burns, even though most customers wouldn't think it was possible.

McFact No. 6: After careful deliberation, the jury found McDonald's was liable because the facts were overwhelmingly against the company. When it came to the punitive damages, the jury found that McDonald's had engaged in willful, reckless, malicious, or wanton conduct, and rendered a punitive damage award of 2.7 million dollars. (The equivalent of just two days of coffee sales, McDonalds Corporation generates revenues in excess of 1.3 million dollars daily from the sale of its coffee, selling 1 billion cups each year.)

McFact No. 7: On appeal, a judge lowered the award to $480,000, a fact not widely publicized in the media.

McFact No. 8: A report in Liability Week, September 29, 1997, indicated that Kathleen Gilliam, 73, suffered first degree burns when a cup of coffee spilled onto her lap. Reports also indicate that McDonald's consistently keeps its coffee at 185 degrees, still approximately 20 degrees hotter than at other restaurants. Third degree burns occur at this temperature in just two to seven seconds, requiring skin grafting, debridement and whirlpool treatments that cost tens of thousands of dollars and result in permanent disfigurement, extreme pain and disability to the victims for many months, and in some cases, years.

The most important message this case has for you, the consumer, is to be aware of the potential danger posed by your early morning pick-me-up. Take extra care to make sure children do not come into contact with scalding liquid, and always look to the facts before rendering your decision about any publicized case.

Courtesy of Legal News and Views, Ohio Academy of Trial Lawyers

[Max]

G I guess I'm missing something. She spilled coffee still on herself. It did burn her at 73 and she did get a half million dollars. It's like sueing a knife company because you were cutting a veggie and you cut yourself. But your saying the man doesn't have the right to file suit against what he thinks is a criminal act against our country. Again I say your quick to step on peoples rights. But you believe a known terrorist that would attack our country has a right to a day in court?

[cajun]

BO brought this crap on himself, he took time off from campaining to fly to hawaii and seal all his records,,WHY. If he had nothing to hide,,WHY Just to many unanswered questions. What differance does it make anyway, if they could prove he was born in africa it would'nt make any differance to the people who swoon over him, that would probably be a plus for him.

[The G]

G I guess I'm missing something. She spilled coffee still on herself. It did burn her at 73 and she did get a half million dollars. It's like sueing a knife company because you were cutting a veggie and you cut yourself. But your saying the man doesn't have the right to file suit against what he thinks is a criminal act against our country. Again I say your quick to step on peoples rights. But you believe a known terrorist that would attack our country has a right to a day in court?If the company would have address her injury's, I don't think we would be talking about this today. It would have been a lot cheaper and they would still have a customer.

[Max]

If the company would have address her injury's, I don't think we would be talking about this today. It would have been a lot cheaper and they would still have a customer.

Are you sure the company owed her anything, she spilled coffee on herself. Now we all get colder coffee and a warning label as a result and me I prefer good really hot coffee, but because this person can't keep from spilling it now we all suffer and do you really sue for that kind of money unless it's just to get rich off a lawsuit?

[The G]

G I guess I'm missing something. She spilled coffee still on herself. It did burn her at 73 and she did get a half million dollars. It's like sueing a knife company because you were cutting a veggie and you cut yourself. But your saying the man doesn't have the right to file suit against what he thinks is a criminal act against our country. Again I say your quick to step on peoples rights. But you believe a known terrorist that would attack our country has a right to a day in court?He has the right just like this lady suing Mcdonalds did, the crap cases which they do exist will get weeded out in the court system

[gtrman66]

This was nothing but a bunch of red neck hating that a black man got elected. As far as I'm concern they can kiss his a$$. :D

Who brought the lawsuit?
Retired Air Force Colonel Gregory S. Hollister living in Colorado Springs, CO

Last I checked, CO was a Union territory duing the civil war. It's also a pretty liberal stronghold.

The suit was Represented by: Philip J. Berg
Let's see, when Berg was crying GWB was involved in the 9/11 conspiracy the liberals hailed him as a prophet, but when he turns on BO he's a nutcase?

G, playing the race card? Shame on you. I would expect that from TT or Engls.

[Max]

He has the right just like this lady suing Mcdonalds did, the crap cases which they do exist will get weeded out in the court system


Your forgetting a judge ended this one. The man isn't allowed a day in court, I assure you a judge should have thrown out the coffee case but didn't.

[The G]

From what I read in the fact sheet. YES

Facts 1,2,3 and 5 won the lady her case. Mcdonalds knew they had issue for years and didn't address them.

[The G]

The suit was Represented by: Philip J. Berg
Let's see, when Berg was crying GWB was involved in the 9/11 conspiracy the liberals hailed him as a prophet, but when he turns on BO he's a nutcaseBerg is a bit off and anyone that believed in the 9/11 is crazy too.

[The G]

The Colonel seems to be a bit off too.

http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q=Retired+Air+Force+Colonel+Gregory+S .+Hollister&FORM=MSNH11

[gtrman66]

I checked your link.... ummm what's your point?

YOU brought up "red neck & racially motivated" - support your argument.

[Max]

From what I read in the fact sheet. YES

Facts 1,2,3 and 5 won the lady her case. Mcdonalds knew they had issue for years and didn't address them.

Cigarette manufactures have huge issues and have lost cases much larger. The fact is you can't make people do the right thing no matter what label you put on it or what you do. Now manufactures just figure in the cost of people hurting themselves into the price of the product and we all pay. IMHO

The point is the man has the right to bring the case to court if he has the money and desire IMHO. It is his right but his rights are being stepped all over but that's good with some people, the same people that would fight for a terrorists rights.

[The G]

If this was the 1st person to get burned by coffee there wouldn't be a case but after 700 + cases this sealed their fate.

The issue with the Cigarette manufactures is they knew for years that smoking causes cancers along with a lot of other problems and they lied to us. This was long befroe the warning labels. They came out with the light smokes and said they where better for us, I'm sure you remember the commercials.The lawyers used the smoke makers own documents in court to beat them. I can't think of another product thats sold in the US that will kill you and is still being sold.

[Max]

I can't think of another product thats sold in the US that will kill you and is still being sold.


Alcohol, cars, toasters you name it and people can find ways to use them as weapons. Oh and cupcakes, my fatass neighbour on welfare and food stamps is killing herself slowly with food and using my money to do it.

[The G]

Alcohol, cars, toasters you name it and people can find ways to use them as weapons. Oh and cupcakes, my fatass neighbour on welfare and food stamps is killing herself slowly with food and using my money to do it.Ya you got me laughing with that one. Max you know what I mean:)

[Max]

It's good we can stop and laugh at some of the shit we do sometimes.

[Remphoto]

I miss my hot McDonald's Coffee. What ever happened to personal responsibility? It's always someone else's fault.

[The G]

I miss my hot McDonald's Coffee. What ever happened to personal responsibility? It's always someone else's fault.

I'll ask the same question, seeing Mcdonalds had over 700 cases of people being burnt.

[Max]

I'll ask the same question, seeing Mcdonalds had over 700 cases of people being burnt.
700 out of the probably 7 billion served, when you put it in context the number is tiny.

[Remphoto]

700 out of the probably 7 billion served, when you put it in context the number is tiny.

Exactly! Says that there are 700 people out there who ought to be a little more careful and if they do spill coffee on themselves, it is their own fault. Of the 700, probably 699 were contacted by ambulance chasing Trial Attorneys (friends of the Democrats) looking for a quick settlement buck from McDonalds.

[TaxmanHog]

Post in error, a reply to "Ending Privatization... "

[MYCAR47562]

g if i stuck a knife in the wall socket at home should i be able to sue the home builder cause he didn't put a warning sign on it?

[nelson]

By law the President must be a citizen of the USA. Obama has not produced an official US birth certificate. It's a question worth looking into. This was pushed under the rug during his campaign, and postponed just long enough for him to take office.

Now that the man is President, every court will dismiss this case. They have good reason, too. Imagine if a court were to discover that Obama is not actually a citizen, and that his presidency is illegal. We would have civil unrest in this country making New Orleans and the LA riots look trivial.

On a related note, America is no danger of running out of logic-deprived Southern dimwits with not enough to do either.This does not really support your point, but it does give us more material should you ever try to argue against racism.

[The G]

its been posted.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html

[Max]

G that birth certificate is the first I have ever seen that didn't have a hospital name on it. I'm betting that was probably produced for BO by request and that is why it lacks so much real information. It looks more like one that would be made if a person claimed they had a baby at home.

[The G]

If this wasn't his BC this guy would have had his day in court.

This is the same kind of crap we got from the right when they chased BC around for 8 years. Yes he got a BJ and lied and that was about it.

[MYCAR47562]

That Birth Certificate Is Diffenrt Then The Last One He Had Posted I Can't Prove It As I Haven't Tryed But The One Before The Election Was Diffenrt

[Max]

If this wasn't his BC this guy would have had his day in court.

This is the same kind of crap we got from the right when they chased BC around for 8 years. Yes he got a BJ and lied and that was about it.


Give me a couple of hours with the equipment I have and I'll make you a BC that looks more believable then that thing is. Honestly have you looked at your BC, I know mine from years before that contains 20 times that data.

[The G]

Give me a couple of hours with the equipment I have and I'll make you a BC that looks more believable then that thing is. Honestly have you looked at your BC, I know mine from years before that contains 20 times that data.
I did look for just for this reason, some one left a mess on my desk and I can't find a damn thing.

[nelson]

official US birth certificate.

A naturalized US citizen (one born elsewhere, then relocated to the USA) can obtain a Certification of Live Birth document. Hawaii allows for the registration of out-of-state births.

Also, this document posted has been debunked. AFRICAN was not used anywhere in the USA to describe race on birth certificates until the late 1970s (and that's just when the new word began to be used). A genuine birth certificate from this time frame would have said NEGROE or NEGRO. Notice Snopes makes no mention of this in their attempt to claim the document is genuine.

Furthermore, if that's a genuine birth certificate, what has been sealed by the state of Hawaii?

Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79174

I've already conceded that nobody is going to touch this issue with a 10 foot pole. Obama has effectively escaped it. Imagine the riots that would take place if it were ever established that Obama is illegally president! But it sure is interesting to note that the question was never resolved.

[The G]

Thats more of the right wing crap.

1st link shows the raised seal.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/

Get over it hes our President.

[nelson]

On a side note, I have my official birth certificate, and a separate certificate like the one Obama has. I won't mind posting copies of them both if I can get them scanned.

Both documents (my official birth certificate, and my later generated "Certificate of Vital Record") contain the following information:

- State file number
- Name of father
- Date of birth
- Place of birth (city)
- Maiden name of nother
- Age of mother
- Mother's place of birth
- Name of father
- Age of father
- Father's place of birth
- Date record filed
- Date certificate issued

The actual birth certificate has the following information that the other does not:

- Certificate number
- Time of birth
- Whether I was a single birth, or part of twins/triplets
- Name and address of the hospital where I was born
- Address of my parents
- Number of years each of my parents had attended college
- Actual signature of my mother
- Name, address, and signature of physician who delivered me
- Signature of registrar (person who filed the document) and date registered

[nelson]

Get over it hes our President.I already conceded this.

But the fact is, that's not a genuine birth certificate. As stated, I have both documents, and can show you exactly what they look like.

It's easy to make something appear genuine when virtually all of the media is in your liberal pocket. But I have the documents to show otherwise.

[The G]

There is no media bias either, just some of the right think so.... get over it

[right$pecial]

G, you often make good points and I'm glad you are here to offer a different perspective on the issues, but I still don't understand how the "left" side of society can argue that having Obama's records sealed is acceptable. Now I know that having certain documents sealed is the right of every American and I would not expect to be forced to reveal my own information to the public, but I am not the President of the United States. If I were to run for even a local office, I would expect such documents (as the one in question) to be a matter of public record rather than personal simply due to the nature of the job. I've seen the alleged Obama birth certificate and I agree that the lack of information on this particular record looks rather fishy.

[The G]

It was released, read the links I posted.

[The G]

Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.


The Obama birth certificate, held by FactCheck writer Joe Miller


Alvin T. Onaka's signature stamp


The raised seal


Blowup of text

You can click on the photos to get full-size versions, which haven't been edited in any way, except that some have been rotated 90 degrees for viewing purposes.

The certificate has all the elements the State Department requires for proving citizenship to obtain a U.S. passport: "your full name, the full name of your parent(s), date and place of birth, sex, date the birth record was filed, and the seal or other certification of the official custodian of such records." The names, date and place of birth, and filing date are all evident on the scanned version, and you can see the seal above.

The document is a "certification of birth," also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The short form is printed by the state and draws from a database with fewer details. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate, but their short form has enough information to be acceptable to the State Department. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response.

The scan released by the campaign shows halos around the black text, making it look (to some) as though the text might have been pasted on top of an image of security paper. But the document itself has no such halos, nor do the close-up photos we took of it. We conclude that the halo seen in the image produced by the campaign is a digital artifact from the scanning process.

We asked the Obama campaign about the date stamp and the blacked-out certificate number. The certificate is stamped June 2007, because that's when Hawaii officials produced it for the campaign, which requested that document and "all the records we could get our hands on" according to spokesperson Shauna Daly. The campaign didn't release its copy until 2008, after speculation began to appear on the Internet questioning Obama's citizenship. The campaign then rushed to release the document, and the rush is responsible for the blacked-out certificate number. Says Shauna: "[We] couldn't get someone on the phone in Hawaii to tell us whether the number represented some secret information, and we erred on the side of blacking it out. Since then we've found out it's pretty irrelevant for the outside world." The document we looked at did have a certificate number; it is 151 1961 - 010641.


Blowup of certificate number

Some of the conspiracy theories that have circulated about Obama are quite imaginative. One conservative blogger suggested that the campaign might have obtained a valid Hawaii birth certificate, soaked it in solvent, then reprinted it with Obama's information. Of course, this anonymous blogger didn't have access to the actual document and presents this as just one possible "scenario" without any evidence that such a thing actually happened or is even feasible.

We also note that so far none of those questioning the authenticity of the document have produced a shred of evidence that the information on it is incorrect. Instead, some speculate that somehow, maybe, he was born in another country and doesn't meet the Constitution's requirement that the president be a "natural-born citizen."

We think our colleagues at PolitiFact.com, who also dug into some of these loopy theories put it pretty well: "It is possible that Obama conspired his way to the precipice of the world’s biggest job, involving a vast network of people and government agencies over decades of lies. Anything’s possible. But step back and look at the overwhelming evidence to the contrary and your sense of what’s reasonable has to take over."

In fact, the conspiracy would need to be even deeper than our colleagues realized. In late July, a researcher looking to dig up dirt on Obama instead found a birth announcement that had been published in the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961:


Obama's birth announcement


The announcement was posted by a pro-Hillary Clinton blogger who grudgingly concluded that Obama "likely" was born Aug. 4, 1961 in Honolulu.
Of course, it's distantly possible that Obama's grandparents may have planted the announcement just in case their grandson needed to prove his U.S. citizenship in order to run for president someday. We suggest that those who choose to go down that path should first equip themselves with a high-quality tinfoil hat. The evidence is clear: Barack Obama was born in the U.S.A.

Update, August 26: We received responses to some of our questions from the Hawaii Department of Health. They couldn't tell us anything about their security paper, but they did answer another frequently-raised question: why is Obama's father's race listed as "African"? Kurt Tsue at the DOH told us that father's race and mother's race are supplied by the parents, and that "we accept what the parents self identify themselves to be." We consider it reasonable to believe that Barack Obama, Sr., would have thought of and reported himself as "African." It's certainly not the slam dunk some readers have made it out to be.

When we asked about the security borders, which look different from some other examples of Hawaii certifications of live birth, Kurt said "The borders are generated each time a certified copy is printed. A citation located on the bottom left hand corner of the certificate indicates which date the form was revised." He also confirmed that the information in the short form birth certificate is sufficient to prove citizenship for "all reasonable purposes."

–by Jess Henig, with Joe Miller

[MYCAR47562]

G How Do You Turn Such A Blind Eye To Everybody In Your Party? Do You Not See It That Way?

[gtrman66]

FactCheck.org, a group led by former CNN reporter Brooks Jackson... that's not biased in any way :rofl

[The G]

FactCheck.org, a group led by former CNN reporter Brooks Jackson... that's not biased in any way :rofl

Do you know of anybody else thats had it in their hand ? :coffee

[truthteller]

If you want clear evidence of the literal insanity (http://www.forum-political.com/forum/showthread.php?t=621) infecting certain elements of the conservative portion of our society - then look no further than this case.

It really makes no difference what evidence is presented: certified birth certificates, testimony of independent State officials, rulings from Federal judges, old newspaper birth announcements: It just doesn't matter to these people.

Every piece of proof just feeds their delusional fantasies: As far as they are concerned, it just adds to the number of conspirators.

It might be worthwhile discussing a whole range of political topics, from taxation, to spending, foreign policy, health care. There are arguments and responsible positions to be made on all sides of these issues. But you have to be dealing with reasonable people.

[nelson]

This is more time than I really wanted to put into this, but for those of you who think the truth is always revealed by linking to xxx.com on the Internet, or who aren't very familiar with birth documents, let me show you some examples. These are actual scans of real documents - I just scanned them here at my office.

Here is the sort of document Obama has provided. In Virginia, this is called a Birth Registration. Notice the information it provides. Notice also it looks almost exactly like the document Obama has provided, and it contains the same information. Note: this is not my Birth Certificate.

http://tibbittp.ipower.com/stuff/birth-record-sm.jpg (http://tibbittp.ipower.com/stuff/birth-record.jpg)

Here is an actual copy of my Birth Certificate. This copy was obtained at a later date via an official request made by me at the hospital where I was born - the same sort of request that Obama has blocked. Notice the additional information it contains which is not provided on the former document: actual signature and address of the doctor who delivered me, the signature of my mother, name and address of the hospital where I was born, address of my parents, number of years they went to college, and more.

http://tibbittp.ipower.com/stuff/birth-certificate-sm.jpg (http://tibbittp.ipower.com/stuff/birth-certificate.jpg)

I realize the above evidence isn't a link to fact-check.org, which some apparently consider the word of God. But these are real documents. Notice none of the sites that have certified Obama's "birth certificate" (i.e. Wikipedia, Snopes, Fact-Check) have offered to show you differences as shown above. Hmmm. Not very solid journalism.

So, despite, newspaper birth announcements nearly always being posted after the fact and requiring no proof whatsoever, despite Obama having legally blocked the public from obtaining his actual birth certificate (if said document exists), and despite not one of the sites cited having mentioned anything about the differences between a real birth certificate and what Obama has provided (the differences you can clearly see above).... liberals would have us believe that the fact that we express any doubt whatsoever is only proof of our insanity!

[The G]

That tells us that Virgina and Hawaii have different forms. :rofl

[nelson]

Hey, if you don't want to believe it, you can deny it, even while it's staring you in the face.

[cajun]

Now Nelson, you know "G" will want a link for that :rofl:rofl

[The G]

The proof is posted and you can't argue if you like.

[The G]

Now Nelson, you know "G" will want a link for that :rofl:rofl
actually I posted 2 links :)

[right$pecial]

Nice post Nelson. If you had been from Hawaii they would probably propose that it proves nothing because you where born in a different decade or they had different administrators in office, or "fill in the blank."

[cajun]

As important as this is, i don't understand why he does'nt just show the document and get all this cleared up once and for all.

[gtrman66]

Do you know of anybody else thats had it in their hand ? :coffee

No, and isn't that kind of the point of this whole thread??

[gtrman66]

It really makes no difference what evidence is presented: certified birth certificates, testimony of independent State officials, rulings from Federal judges, old newspaper birth announcements: It just doesn't matter to these people....

Yeah, that's kind of what we would like to see.

[The G]

As important as this is, i don't understand why he does'nt just show the document and get all this cleared up once and for all.

Read the links

[cajun]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109242

Gonna git this buzzard yet. :)

[coolbreeze]

I thought that leaders led by example.

They do. We just don't have any.

[Max]

There will never be a birth certificate for the man, when your born in a shanty town in Kenya where there most likely wasn't even a doctor around.

[right$pecial]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=109242

Gonna git this buzzard yet. :)

Looks more authentic than the official one from Hawaii in any case.

[coolbreeze]

There will never be a birth certificate for the man, when your born in a shanty town in Kenya where there most likely wasn't even a doctor around.

C'mon Max. Can't you let that slide.

I mean really........ what's not to like about an Islam indoctrinated kenyan turned cocaine snorting, pot smoking, terrorist associating, community organizing, union friendly, immigrant politician & lawyer from chicago?

http://orangejuiceblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/obama-smoking-pot.jpg

[coolbreeze]

And he sure talks a lot of shit too!

http://www.obambi.com/images/obamabs.gif

[Max]

. what's not to like about an Islam indoctrinated kenyan turned cocaine snorting, pot smoking, terrorist associating, community organizing, union friendly, immigrant politician & lawyer from chicago?



Well since I love this country I would say there is a lot not to like about him.

[Max]

I just wonder when your going to be able to get the us constitution on toilet paper since we no longer follow it?

[coolbreeze]

I just wonder when your going to be able to get the us constitution on toilet paper since we no longer follow it?

They're using it at the whitehouse already, so I've heard.

[gtrman66]

I thought this was dead. Wow, it just keeps coming back. Everything "The One" wrote in his book didn't convince people he was a lunatic, why should this?

[cajun]

I thought this was dead. Wow, it just keeps coming back. Everything "The One" wrote in his book didn't convince people he was a lunatic, why should this?

It could be,, all he has to do is produce a legetimate copy of his birth certificate and this would all go away. I read an articale the other day that said he has spent several hundred thousand dollars of his own money to fight this,,,,,WHY? Just produce the document and it's over. just that simple. His actions are the reason this keeps draggin on.

[Remphoto]

This whole thing could finally blow up in bho's face a year or two from now, but by then, he and his lackeys will already have wrecked this country. But, no, it will never come to light because the powers-that-be will not allow it to -- unless we can get some college journalism students to do the investigation the media won't.:D

[right$pecial]

This whole thing could finally blow up in bho's face a year or two from now, but by then, he and his lackeys will already have wrecked this country. But, no, it will never come to light because the powers-that-be will not allow it to -- unless we can get some college journalism students to do the investigation the media won't.:D

Look at the bright side Rem. If they thoroughly wreck up the place then the biased media and corrupt politicians won't even be able to hide those responsible. The sheeple will have no choice but relearn how to think for themselves and then those in the know will rebuild everything the way it should be...maybe reword our constitution so that not even the most slippery lawyer out there can find a way to misconstrue the government's true limitations in regard to what they can and can't do.

[Remphoto]

Look at the bright side Rem. If they thoroughly wreck up the place then the biased media and corrupt politicians won't even be able to hide those responsible. The sheeple will have no choice but relearn how to think for themselves and then those in the know will rebuild everything the way it should be...maybe reword our constitution so that not even the most slippery lawyer out there can find a way to misconstrue the government's true limitations in regard to what they can and can't do.

Good point! And this has begun to happen as evidenced by the tea parties, townhall meetings, etc.

[louballs]

I couldnt find the specific article, but I thought there was a newspaper that had his birth announcement and he presented a certified copy of the original. Im not defending him, i just thought it was over. What bothers me is how it was ever even an issue. How can someone even be eligable to run for president without providing that documentation??? I can't get a new driver's license without all of that proof, how the hell can you be on the most prestigous of ballots???? Obsurdity.

[gtrman66]

I couldnt find the specific article, but I thought there was a newspaper that had his birth announcement and he presented a certified copy of the original. Im not defending him, i just thought it was over. What bothers me is how it was ever even an issue. How can someone even be eligable to run for president without providing that documentation??? I can't get a new driver's license without all of that proof, how the hell can you be on the most prestigous of ballots???? Obsurdity.

That was a "certificate of live birth" which Hawaii allows people to file after-the-fact. It is not good enough for a passpport or to get into the military. It's a pretty useless piece of paper.

Now the new "ebay" Keyan Birth Certificate with the footprint... that could prove to be a little more interesting. I still say it's a high probability that it is a hoax.

[louballs]

ohhh, thanks for the clarity. I heard that ebay thing has been up there before but keeps getting shut down....

[HoldHard]

ohhh, thanks for the clarity. I heard that ebay thing has been up there before but keeps getting shut down.......right when I have the highest bid.... drat....:rofl

HH

[nelson]

I posted copies of my birth registration, and my birth certificate, to show the difference in the documents.

http://www.forum-political.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7580&postcount=54

[nelson]

NPR archive describes Obama as 'Kenyan-born'
Description accompanies interview about 'son of Africa'

Those crazy "birthers" are citing National Public Radio.

Really? NPR?

<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95550177">Archives for the tax-supported organization</a> reveal that a 2008 report described then-Sen. Barack Obama as "Kenyan-born"&nbsp; and a "son of Africa."

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NPR's promotion for the story included a brief description of West African correspondent Ofeibea Quist-Arcton, who "describes the stories that have been exciting, including the U.S. presidential race of Kenyan-born Sen. Barack Obama."

After discussing various issues developing in Africa at the time &ndash; such as Kenya's violent elections, the attacks in Zimbabwe and the presidency of South Africa &ndash; the conversation on the program "Tell Me More" turned to Obama.

At about 9:45 of the audio report, interviewer Michelle Martin said "a son of Africa. Barack Obama is poised to at least have the opportunity to become the next president of the United States." She asked, "How does this campaign look overseas?"

Quist-Arcton responded by describing Obama as a member of the Kenyan Luo tribe and reporting how Africa viewed the race.

"You know [the campaign] has absolutely fired the imagination not only of American people but of people in Africa," she said. "For a start Barack Obama's father is from Kenya. People were very excited and because they had had a failed election in Kenya, and the opposition leader Raila Odinga comes from the same tribe as Barack Obama's father, the Luo. The joke was going around Kenya that America is going to have a Luo president before Kenya does."
</p><p>She continued, "There's huge interest. Not just in Kenya. All over the continent. &hellip; The fact that a black man and one with African blood has managed to get this far &hellip; you know, I think has made young people sit up and listen and watch and follow the campaign and made the older generations who lived through the colonization and independence say, 'Well, well, well. So it can happen in American too."

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<a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=136769">WorldNetDaily also reported this week when a video appeared in which Michelle Obama said her husband's "home country" was Kenya.</a>

The video, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLDHDfPNBME&amp;feature=related">posted April 3 on YouTube</a> and forwarded by a score of Internet e-mails, shows Michelle Obama saying, "When we took our trip to Africa and visited his home country in Kenya, we took a public HIV test."

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The reference drew attention because of the claim made in numerous lawsuits and other challenges to Obama's occupancy of the Oval Office that he is not eligible to be president under the requirement of Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution that the president be a "natural born citizen."

But the NPR reference and Michelle Obama's comment are far from the only ones of their kind.

<a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=107524">At one point, there were reports that even Obama's grandmother claimed being in attendance at his birth in Africa.</a>

<a href="http://forums.military.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4960045241001/m/9440076532001">According to a compilation of images at a military forum,</a> another reference was made in 2008 in the Nigerian Observer.

Under a byline from Solomon Asowata and a Washington dateline, the report says, "Americans will today go to the polls to elect their next president with Democratic Party candidate, Senator Barack Obama largely favoured to win. The Kenyan-born Senator will, however, face a stiff competition from his Republican counterpart&hellip;"

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<a href="http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/04/07/evidence-against-obamas-hawaiian-birth-story-mounts"></a>A commentary at the Post &amp; E-mail website said, "It is no wonder that many doubt Obama's claim of a Hawaiian birth."

It cited another report from <a href="http://www.africa-ata.org/ug_newsletter.htm">African Travel Magazine</a> that said, "As Kenyan born U.S. Senator Barack Obama jets into Kenya today as part of his African tour, concerns have once again been raised on the security preparations for other visitors and residents. ...."

The commentary cited a similar report from Indonesia Matters but noted that the references had been "scrubbed" from the Internet.

<a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=113004">WorldNetDaily documented earlier several other statements linking Obama and Kenya.</a>

<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20040627142700/eastandard.net/headlines/news26060403.htm">These included the apparently archived article from the Sunday Standard in Kenya.</a>

The report begins, "Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack (sic) Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations."

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The article is credited to the wire service Associated Press at the bottom of the page. However, the article could not be found either in the AP archives available to the public online or the archive on the newspaper's website. WND telephone calls and e-mails to the newspaper did not generate a response.

<a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=103638">Last year,</a> an African news site and an MSNBC broadcaster referred to President Obama's birthplace as being outside of the United States.

Network correspondent Mara Schiavocampo was reporting on the celebratory atmosphere in Accra, Ghana, immediately prior to Obama's visit to the west African nation.

Interviewing a person who appeared to be a shop operator, she stated, "Barack Obama is Kenyan &hellip; but Ghanaians are still proud of him."

<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619#31856235">The video of the report is at this link.</a>

Also, a report at <a href="http://www.modernghana.com/news/226379/1/history-beckons-as-prez-obama-arrives-tomorrow.html">Modern Ghana</a> posted in advance of the president's visit cited his birthplace on the continent of Africa.
</p><p>"For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American President on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth," the report said.

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WorldNetDaily has reported on dozens of legal challenges to Obama's status as a "natural born citizen."

Some of the lawsuits question whether he was actually born in Hawaii, as he insists. If he was born out of the country, Obama's American mother, the suits contend, was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time.

Other challenges have focused on Obama's citizenship through his father, a Kenyan subject to the jurisdiction of the United Kingdom at the time of his birth, thus making him a dual citizen. The cases contend the framers of the Constitution excluded dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.

Complicating the situation is Obama's decision to <a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=106138">spend sums exceeding $1.7 million</a> to avoid releasing an original long-form state birth certificate that would put to rest the questions.

<a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=100613">WorldNetDaily also has reported that among the documentation not yet available</a> for Obama includes his kindergarten records, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Columbia thesis, Harvard Law School records, Harvard Law Review articles, scholarly articles from the University of Chicago, passport, medical records, files from his years as an Illinois state senator, his Illinois State Bar Association records, any baptism records and his adoption records.

<a href="http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&amp;pageId=114259">WorldNetDaily also reported previously</a> when Michelle Obama contradicted Obama's story that he lived with his mother and father for several years in Hawaii after he was born before his father left to pursue a graduate degree.

Michelle Obama said her husband's mother, Ann Dunham, was "very young and very single" when she gave birth to the future U.S. president.

Her comments undermine the official story as told by Barack Obama &ndash; that Dunham was married to his father, Barack Obama Sr., at the time of birth.

The remarks were <a href="http://blog.showmeprogress.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1297">made by Michelle Obama during a July 2008 round table at the University of Missouri</a>. Obama was responding to criticism of her husband's presidential campaign speeches about fatherhood and faith-based initiatives.

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=138293

[gtrman66]

Yep, I am convinced there is a high probability that he is not a native citizen, but the ramifications of removing him now are pretty scary to think about.

I rarely get to hear Rush, but I caught a few minutes at lunch yesterday and he detailed how there is not a shred of evidence that BO loves the US in any way shape or form. It's sad, but 2012 is coming.

[Motive]

Any moves against him, will just be played up as racial bigotry....he got elected due to buffoonative action, and guilt tactics.

It would be the civil war all over again.

[Remphoto]

Yep, everyone and thing he attacks is American. Won't say anything negative against even the most despicable dictators but if a US citizen exercises free speech he calls him out by name.

Yep, I am convinced there is a high probability that he is not a native citizen, but the ramifications of removing him now are pretty scary to think about.

I rarely get to hear Rush, but I caught a few minutes at lunch yesterday and he detailed how there is not a shred of evidence that BO loves the US in any way shape or form. It's sad, but 2012 is coming.

[Motive]

....Won't say anything negative against even the most despicable dictators but if a US citizen exercises free speech he calls him out by name.

Total chickenshit maneuver in my book...he'll watch his tongue, bow his head, and tuck his tail, against people that can actually do something to him, but the ones that have their hands tied, he's got giant brass balls.....

Chump....

[right$pecial]

Honestly, I don't think he is native born. There is ample evidence to support my belief, but really it all comes down to the effort and money allocated to cover up his past. I mean really, the left brought up GW's lack of great grades in college, yet Obama's records are sealed? At this point, if all BO had to hide was a "C" average then it wouldn't be worth it simply because his followers would still follow him and his opposition would still oppose him. Now, that kind of money would explain something that would throw our political/historical world into turmoil if it became evident that someone managed to become elected to high office without meeting the legal criteria to do so; it would immediately destroy the credibility of the democratic party and, to be honest, could actually result in civil unrest, riots, etc.

[Jeb]

So, if the truth hurts, let the healing begin!:gun:

[nelson]

Honestly, I don't think he is native born. There is ample evidence to support my belief, but really it all comes down to the effort and money allocated to cover up his past. I can't agree more. The sheer effort Obama spends covering up his past is even more revealing than the specific clues. You don't try so hard to cover something up unless it's incriminating.

if it became evident that someone managed to become elected to high office without meeting the legal criteria to do so; it would immediately destroy the credibility of the democratic party and, to be honest, could actually result in civil unrest, riots, etc.Exactly. Just think if it became known that we Americans are so stupid we elected someone who legally isn't eligible; to make matters worse - a man born into the muslim faith amidst the war on terror. It would fully expose the democrat party and the constituency that elected this man (as ignorant). Nobody likes being exposed, people will go to great lengths to maintain their denial. It could be a nightmare scenario for America.

[Jeb]

It could be a hopeful sign that truth always outs! For good or bad!

[coolbreeze]

I don't know if this has been posted yet as I haven't read every thread but according to a Kenyan official, Obama was in fact born in Kenya.

If this story is true, (it seems very credible) Obama has to go, and every representitive in the senate and house who doesn't fight to throw him out if he doesn't resign, should be thrown out themselves. These bastards want every American to follow the law which most of us do, yet our representitives break the law constantly and laugh about it, and hold their offices. Rangel is one of the latest examples.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=139481

[Motive]

From Kenya...a 3rd world country? Could be the MABUS

[gtrman66]

Well, now Canada is in on the act...
http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22221

Members from all three branches of the Federal government already know that Barack Hussein Obama is ineligible for the office of President. National leaders, to include members of the US Supreme Court, already know that Barack Hussein Obama is not a “natural born citizen” of the United States of America, and therefore, is ineligible for the office he currently holds. (See JB’s new article on The Bottom Line on Natural Born Citizen)

What they don’t know is how long it will take for most Americans to figure it out, or what to do about it.

The diversionary search for an authentic birth certificate is ongoing and Obama has now spent in excess of $2 million in legal fees to keep that search alive.


Eric Holder’s Department of Justice continues to deploy taxpayer funded attorneys around the country to file dismissals on behalf of Obama, denying all American citizens access to the courts as a peaceful remedy, which only fuels the fire of discontent and the questions about Obama persist.
....

[Jeb]

I know a lot of whites that seem to have this built it guilt trip thing going on and would be scared senseless to even think about this possiblity! However, these people were wimps anyway, and I can't find anyone in my universe that would vote for him or any progressive! These people are pissed and preparing to vote, driver others to vote and volunteer to work the polls or phone banks!