Legalizing drugs

[Oriondk]

I think it's time.
I hate drugs and what they've done to this country and the people in it. But I hate even worse the violence they have bred in this country, Mexico, Columbia, etc. I hate seeing drug money financing violent gangs in this country and others. I hate seeing people's lives ruined because they got caught with a small amount of drugs. I hate the huge amount of money we spend in this country fighting the "war on drugs". It's a war we'll never win.

[right$pecial]

This is a touchy subject, but I agree with you. It is a sad fact of life but abusers will engineer their own punishments with or without laws and I do think that it would cut down on the violence. I mean come on, when your nation's dregs show such an addiction that another nation is pulled into a civil war because of your government's failing policy then there is an issue. On a side note, I wonder what percentage of the U.S. population could honestly say they have never tried mary jane.

Just to clarify...I also hate drugs and what they do to people.

[Oriondk]

I smoked grass in the late 60's early 70's. Had a brief experience with a few harder drugs in the early 80's. Can honestly say I wish I hadn't. Of all the drugs out there, marajuana is the least noxious. Less so than alcohol for sure, and should be the first one legalized. I'd much sooner see the money going to legitimate growers and taxes to the government than to drug lords in Mexico and Columbia.

[right$pecial]

I smoked grass in the late 60's early 70's. Had a brief experience with a few harder drugs in the early 80's. Can honestly say I wish I hadn't. Of all the drugs out there, marajuana is the least noxious. Less so than alcohol for sure, and should be the first one legalized. I'd much sooner see the money going to legitimate growers and taxes to the government than to drug lords in Mexico and Columbia.

I agree, but what do we do about the job losses for lawyers and ATF agents?:D

[nelson]

I don't like drugs either, any drugs really, marijuana included. I do think there is such a thing as responsible use, but it is not without compromise. Yet I agree with you guys, for several reasons, I think it's time to let individuals make that decision, rather than government.

In the end, I think legalization would be a good way to mitigate the negative effects of drugs on our society. I personally believe legalizing pot would lead to more availability, and in our particular instant-gratification culture, probably increased use as a result, at least in the short term. This is one negative consequence which will affect us in many ways, including our overall productivity. On the other hand, legalization eliminates the need to spend so much effort on enforcement, provides a revenue stream that right now is untapped, and will virtually eliminate a great deal of illegal trade (and perhaps most importantly, the power of organizations formed to practice it).

Good point about job losses. I have one thought - do we really need more lawyers and ATF agents? Government is so big, I think we could stand to lose some. I hope the best agents would be kept, and the losses would end up being positive in a "survival-of-the-fittest" sense. In the world of private enterprise, this would be the case, but if I know leftist government, it'll be silly things like skin color and political associations that would actually determine who is kept on.

[MYCAR47562]

I Can't Except Mexico's Problem's As My Own If We Legalize Marijuana We Are Dooming Ourself's To Many People Smoke Themself's Stuiped When It's Illegal With It Legal It Will Be The End

[The G]

Theres no way of stopping people from growing it in their back yards, it would be tough to tax and control.

[nelson]

Theres no way of stopping people from growing it in their back yards, it would be tough to taxed and control.Truth. But, it'd be awfully convenient to just buy a pack of joints for $20. Not a lot of American individuals grow tobacco, partially because it's so much easier to just buy it.

[The G]

I think you would find people grow it in their back yards and quiting their full time jobs. :rofl:

[MYCAR47562]

Truth. But, it'd be awfully convenient to just buy a pack of joints for $20. Not a lot of American individuals grow tobacco, partially because it's so much easier to just buy it.

plus all the work they would have to put into making them wouldn't save them much money. it's a whole lot easier and cheaper to just buy it

[Oriondk]

I realize that marajauna would be easy for a person to grow. My sister is on medical marajauna and used to grow her own. There would still be a market as witness the medical marajauna stores that sprang up in California, until the Feds cracked down on them.
As to more people using it, I doubt the numbers would go up that much. I honestly don't think the law has stopped anyone that wants to from using it.
There would still need to be laws forbidding people with certain jobs from using. I definitely don't want the pilot of the plane I'm on getting high before the flight.:eek:

[scol]

Why not just make all drugs legal opium, meth, heroin, cocain, everything that way no one will give a dam about anything and the drug Lords can just move in and take over an run the country for us while we are all to stoned to give a dam. What the hells wrong with you guys name one good thing that came from drugs. (non medical) one good thing

[right$pecial]

I don't think anyone is saying that good things come from drugs. I don't think that legalizing it the best idea, but under these circumstances it is something that needs to be considered. Now, if we would actually protect the border with a vengeance, like we should be doing anyway for national security, then I wouldn't entertain the notion. However, as long as we have cowards who are glad to have a new voter pool then I stand behind my previous statements on this thread. Although, I certainly see where most of you are coming from.

[scol]

I don't think anyone is saying that good things come from drugs. I don't think that legalizing it the best idea, but under these circumstances it is something that needs to be considered. Now, if we would actually protect the border with a vengeance, like we should be doing anyway for national security, then I wouldn't entertain the notion. However, as long as we have cowards who are glad to have a new voter pool then I stand behind my previous statements on this thread. Although, I certainly see where most of you are coming from.

So what you're saying is lets just give up?

[right$pecial]

Pretty much. If the rest of the country is unwilling to make the hard choices by actually enforcing border control then I give up. Maybe this way I could just roll a dooby, wait for my welfare check, and check out without reproducing so that I won't have to care about the country's continued motion toward the narrow end of the proverbial toilet.

[MYCAR47562]

I Couldn't Stand By And Let That Happen Screw Mexico Maybe They Should Have Taken Care Of The Cartel's Before They Started Uprising

[scol]

How about this. 1 take some of the stimulus package like around for the sake of argument $15 Billion 2. Start building more jails and rehab centers. 3. Start locking everyone up that's using, pot smokers also. 4 Rehab the ones that can be. The ones that can't be rehabed keep the in institutions indefinitely. This is what it would accomplish no one left to buy drugs, cartels and dealers go out of business. We are bailing out some the the biggest thieves in history why not try putting drug dealers out of business by eliminating the demand for their goods. Believe it or not this idea surface 30yrs ago and the two cops who thought of it warned if it wasn't dealt with in this manner we'd have a major dope epidemic in this country in 20 - 30 yrs. Well.................and no one listened they actually wrought a book about this and for the life of me I can't remember the names of this two men.

[Remphoto]

I am with Scol on this one. This issue seems to be a key area of division between most conservatives and liberatarians. As a conservative (and a person who once inhaled) my perspective is that illegal drugs of all types are a bad thing and ought to be illegal. Just because the laws are difficult to enforce does not mean we should just give up and let drugs spread even further. We have enough drunk drivers on the road without encouraging stoned drivers, too. Again, proper border security would hinder the flowof drugs trafficing, though we will have to wait 2 or 4 years to see that happen.

[libtard]

Brand newby here, pardon the butt in, but! I wanna ask, what do you mean by "drugs"? That's a broad umbrella, many drugs are already legal, many sponsor our TV programming, some are in my morning coffee, and a variety in my Camel filters. I'm not sure how we can call MJ a "drug", it's a plant like tobacco or corn.

Specifically, how many would flat out approve the legalization of marijuana? And to "harder" drugs, like heroin and meth?

I will continue to vote for legalization. It's a huge misdirection of government's taxpayer funded resources.

[Remphoto]

Welcome aboard and thanks for jumping in on this hot one. You'll find many different ideas on here about most everything including drug legalization. Personally, I'm against it for reasons noted in previous post. And yes I consider mj to be an drug. Many other illegal drugs also come from "plants", too.

[scol]

Brand newby here, pardon the butt in, but! I wanna ask, what do you mean by "drugs"? That's a broad umbrella, many drugs are already legal, many sponsor our TV programming, some are in my morning coffee, and a variety in my Camel filters. I'm not sure how we can call MJ a "drug", it's a plant like tobacco or corn.

Specifically, how many would flat out approve the legalization of marijuana? And to "harder" drugs, like heroin and meth?

I will continue to vote for legalization. It's a huge misdirection of government's taxpayer funded resources.

Welcome: Are you serious It's pretty obvious what we're talking about did you see any one mention coffee? and by the way the gov. is in the process off making tobacco illegal you can't smoke it in various parts of the city like gov. buildings and in Mass. restaurants, and at the same time the same clowns are going after tobacco whant to legalize pot, wake up you know dam well what we are talking about. Don't try that philosophical crap with with me, and by the why you just I.D. yourself.

[MYCAR47562]

Legalization In My Eye's Would Be The Final Down Fall Of The Usa Wouldn't Be Quick But With In About 150 Years We As A Country Would No Longer Last

[libtard]

Thanks for the welcome, scol. It's gonna be fun here. I promise not to try any more of that philosophical crap on you. So I'll assume the "pretty obvious", and conclude that what Oriondk was suggesting is that all drugs that are currently illegal should be legalized. That's ridiculous and I'm not sure that's what he meant. I do think America should revise it's statutes to be more like Holland, and treat the hard drug problem as a medical issue and not a criminal one. All the laws in my state (Kellyfornia) that prohibit drugs are written under the Health and Safety code, not the Penal code, and should be prosecuted that way.

[scol]

Brand newby here, pardon the butt in, but! I wanna ask, what do you mean by "drugs"? That's a broad umbrella, many drugs are already legal, many sponsor our TV programming, some are in my morning coffee, and a variety in my Camel filters. I'm not sure how we can call MJ a "drug", it's a plant like tobacco or corn.

Specifically, how many would flat out approve the legalization of marijuana? And to "harder" drugs, like heroin and meth?

I will continue to vote for legalization. It's a huge misdirection of government's taxpayer funded resources.

How about this. 1 take some of the stimulus package like around for the sake of argument $15 Billion 2. Start building more jails and rehab centers. 3. Start locking everyone up that's using, pot smokers also. 4 Rehab the ones that can be. The ones that can't be rehabed keep the in institutions indefinitely. This is what it would accomplish no one left to buy drugs, cartels and dealers go out of business. We are bailing out some the the biggest thieves in history why not try putting drug dealers out of business by eliminating the demand for their goods. Believe it or not this idea surface 30yrs ago and the two cops who thought of it warned if it wasn't dealt with in this manner we'd have a major dope epidemic in this country in 20 - 30 yrs. Well.................and no one listened they actually wrought a book about this and for the life of me I can't remember the names of this two men.

Libtard: Do me a favor reread this please.

[libtard]

How about this. 1 take some of the stimulus package like around for the sake of argument $15 Billion 2. Start building more jails and rehab centers. 3. Start locking everyone up that's using, pot smokers also. 4 Rehab the ones that can be. The ones that can't be rehabed keep the in institutions indefinitely. This is what it would accomplish no one left to buy drugs, cartels and dealers go out of business. We are bailing out some the the biggest thieves in history why not try putting drug dealers out of business by eliminating the demand for their goods. Believe it or not this idea surface 30yrs ago and the two cops who thought of it warned if it wasn't dealt with in this manner we'd have a major dope epidemic in this country in 20 - 30 yrs. Well.................and no one listened they actually wrought a book about this and for the life of me I can't remember the names of this two men.

Thanks, scol, you're right. I read it again seven or eight times to make sure I got the gist of it. Pretty brilliant proposal, thought of running for office?

[scol]

Thanks, scol, you're right. I read it again seven or eight times to make sure I got the gist of it. Pretty brilliant proposal, thought of running for office?

Ya but I piss every one off, so I've elected to back a few men, one of them stabbed us all in the back after he got elected, it happens. The others well they choose to leave office after some lengthy time in office from city to state house, haven't found any one I could believe in since. And I mite add they where a mix of Rep. and Dem. I go for the person not the party.

[scol]

And now back to the drug business and that's what it is folks a business. Lets use this simple example. Im selling ice cream the gov. comes buy and tells me to shut down because they don't like ice cream. However there ia a huge demand for ice cream sooo along comes Libtard with his seven flavors and he's doing a bang up business then the gov. comes by and shuts him down now along comes Mycar, you get the picture as long as some one is there to buy some one will sell very simple basic stuff here not brilliant at all. Also I don't want to take credit for all of these thoughts those two N.Y. Cops deserve most of the credit for this idea.

[right$pecial]

Well, IF you could do it like the two cops wanted to then I would be all for it. IF...