Obama Wants Vets To Pay For Healthcare

[DLEIGHTY]

now we see what he thinks of the men and women who serve .


WASHINGTON (CNN) — Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.

Lawmakers say they’d reject a proposal to make veterans pay for treatment of war wounds with private insurance.

But the proposal would be "dead on arrival" if it’s sent to Congress, Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington, said.

Murray used that blunt terminology when she told Shinseki that the idea would not be acceptable and would be rejected if formally proposed. Her remarks came during a hearing before the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs about the 2010 budget…

Asked about the proposal, Shinseki said it was under "consideration."

"A final decision hasn’t been made yet," he said…

So taxpayers dollars will be available for healthcare for illegal aliens
and deadbeats, but not for wounded soldiers?



so what was he thinking?

[right$pecial]

Yeah this particular topic came up last week. Here's the original link if you want to know how we all feel about it: http://www.forum-political.com/forum//showthread.php?t=668

[DLEIGHTY]

Isn't this the candidate that just a few months ago was preaching to get health care coverage too ALL! Isn't it ironic and moronic to steel $53 Billion from vets and active duty military families so the Crack Head down the street will receive free medical coverage.

[MYCAR47562]

he changed his mind according to everything i have read

[DLEIGHTY]

all sorry i missed it .

[DLEIGHTY]

ya he changed his mind ,but he did think about it,

[MYCAR47562]

yes noone would argue that except g who probally love's the idea but i might be wrong

[right$pecial]

ya he changed his mind ,but he did think about it,

And you know, that fact alone pisses me off even if it never went anywhere. Look out men! Don't drop the soap! The Commander in Chief is coming.

[DLEIGHTY]

And you know, that fact alone pisses me off even if it never went anywhere. Look out men! Don't drop the soap! The Commander in Chief is coming.

and you with 8 more years to go .

[right$pecial]

and you with 8 more years to go .

Negative. If this line of thinking takes hold then I'll have 5years and 3days to go.

[The G]

This is old and won't happen, this is the right stirring up the bucket.

[MYCAR47562]

old? it happened last week.

[The G]

Wear your under wear for a week and tell me if they get old. :)

[right$pecial]

I don't care how old it is, it is still a terrible idea that says a lot about the administration's potential direction.

[The G]

I don't care how old it is, it is still a terrible idea that says a lot about the administration's potential direction.

It's not going to happen

[right$pecial]

It's not going to happen

That is not the point.

[The G]

That is not the point.

My point is BO released this statement the same day as the one listed above, BO said in the statement below that he is going to take care of the troops. Now if you can show me a change from BO after the posted date I would like to see it. Like I said the rest is BS.

Office of the Press Secretary
__________________________________________________ _____________
For Immediate Release March 16, 2009

REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT
AT THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF
THE DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS
AS A CABINET AGENCY

Department of Veterans Affairs
Washington, D.C.

2:20 P.M. EDT

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much. To Jim Benson for helping to organize this; for Mahdee for your service to our country -- a Pledge of Allegiance that you've shown in your own commitment to protecting this country; and obviously, to Secretary Shinseki. It is an honor to join you and the hardworking public servants here at the Department of Veterans Affairs as we mark a milestone in the distinguished history of this department.

You know, 20 years ago, on the day the Veterans Administration was officially elevated to a Cabinet-level agency and renamed the Department of Veterans Affairs, a ceremony was held to swear in the administrator of the old entity as Secretary of the new one. And in his remarks that day, President George H.W. Bush declared that the mission of this agency is "so vital that there's only one place for the veterans of America: in the Cabinet Room, at the table with the President of the United States of America." I could not agree more.

I could not be more pleased that Eric Shinseki has taken a seat at that table. Throughout his long and distinguished career in the Army, Secretary Shinseki won the respect and admiration of our men and women in uniform because they've always been his highest priority -- and he has clearly brought that same sense of duty and commitment to the work of serving our veterans.

As he knows, it's no small task. This department has more than a quarter of a million employees across America, and its services range from providing education and training benefits, health care and home loans, to tending those quiet places that remind us of the great debt we owe -- and remind me of the heavy responsibility that I bear. It's a commitment that lasts from the day our veterans retire that uniform to the day that they are put to rest -- and that continues on for their families.

Without this commitment, I might not be here today. After all, my grandfather enlisted after Pearl Harbor and went on to march in Patton's Army. My grandmother worked on a bomber assembly line while he was gone. My mother was born at Fort Leavenworth while he was away. When my grandfather returned, he went to college on the GI Bill; bought his first home with a loan from the FHA; moved his family west, all the way to Hawaii, where he and my grandmother helped to raise me.

And I think about my grandfather whenever I have the privilege of meeting the young men and women who serve in our military today. They are our best and brightest, and they're our bravest -- enlisting in a time of war; enduring tour after tour of duty; serving with honor under the most difficult circumstances; and making sacrifices that many of us cannot begin to imagine. The same can be said of their families. As my wife, Michelle, has seen firsthand during visits to military bases across this country, we don't just deploy our troops in a time of war -- we deploy their families, too.

So while the mission of this department is always vital, it is even more so during long and difficult conflicts like those that we're engaged in today. Because when the guns finally fall silent and the cameras are turned off and our troops return home, they deserve the same commitment from their government as my grandparents received.

Last month, I announced my strategy for ending the war in Iraq. And I made it very clear that this strategy would not end with military plans and diplomatic agendas, but would endure through my commitment to upholding our sacred trust with every man and woman who has served this country. And the same holds true for our troops serving in Afghanistan.

The homecoming we face over the next year and a half will be the true test of this commitment: whether we will stand with our veterans as they face new challenges -- physical, psychological and economic -- here at home.

I intend to start that work by making good on my pledge to transform the Department of Veterans Affairs for the 21st century. That's an effort that, under Secretary Shinseki's leadership, all of you have already begun -- conducting a thorough review of your operations all across this agency. And I intend to support this effort not just with words of encouragement, but with resources. That's why the budget I sent to Congress increases funding for this department by $25 billion over the next five years.

With this budget, we don't just fully fund our VA health care program -- we expand it to serve an additional 500,000 veterans by 2013; to provide better health care in more places; and to dramatically improve services related to mental health and injuries like Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder and Traumatic Brain Injury. We also invest in the technology to cut red tape and ease the transition from active duty. And we provide new help for homeless veterans, because those heroes have a home -- it's the country they served, the United States of America. And until we reach a day when not a single veteran sleeps on our nation's streets, our work remains unfinished. (Applause.)

Finally, in this new century, it's time to heed the lesson of history, that our returning veterans can form the backbone of our middle class -- by implementing a GI Bill for the 21st century. I know you're working hard under a tough deadline, but I am confident that we will be ready for August 1st. And that's how we'll show our servicemen and women that when you come home to America, America will be here for you. That's how we will ensure that those who have "borne the battle" -- and their families -- will have every chance to live out their dreams.

I've had the privilege of meeting so many of these heroes. Some of the most inspiring are those that I've met in places like Walter Reed -- young men and women who've lost a limb or even their ability to take care of themselves, but who never lose the pride they feel for their country. And that is, after all, what led them to wear the uniform in the first place -- their unwavering belief in the idea of America; that no matter where you come from, what you look like, who your parents are, this is a place where anything is possible, where anyone can make it, where we take care of each other and look out for each other -- especially for those who've sacrificed so much for this country.

These are the ideals that generations of Americans have fought for and bled for and died for. These are the ideals at the core of your mission -- a mission that dates back before our founding -- one taken up by our first President years before he took office, back when he served as Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army. Then-General Washington fought tirelessly to support the veterans of America's Revolutionary War. Such support, he argued, should "never be considered as a pension or gratuity..." Rather, "...it was the price of their blood," and of our independence; "...it is, therefore," he said, "more than a common debt, it is a debt of honor..." A debt of honor.

Washington understood that caring for our veterans was more than just a way of thanking them for their service. He recognized the obligation is deeper than that -- that when our fellow citizens commit themselves to shed blood for us, that binds our fates with theirs in a way that nothing else can. And in the end, caring for those who have given their fullest measure of devotion to us -- and for their families -- is a matter of honor -- as a nation and as a people.

That's a responsibility you hold, that's the work that you do -- repaying that debt of honor, a debt we can never fully discharge. And I know it's not always easy. I know there's much work ahead to transform this agency for the 21st century. But I have the fullest confidence that with Secretary Shinseki's leadership, and with the hard work of the men and women of this department, we will fulfill our sacred trust and serve our returning heroes as well as they've served us.

Thank you. God bless you, and may God bless the United States of America. Thank you, everybody. (Applause.)

END
2:32 P.M. EDT

[MYCAR47562]

g i don't wear underwear


and the point is he was thinking about doing it nothing more nothing less it's a shot at veterans

[Remphoto]

g i don't wear underwear


and the point is he was thinking about doing it nothing more nothing less it's a shot at veterans

TMI (too much information):rofl

[MYCAR47562]

He Started It

[nelson]

Nobody who understands our military would ever have proposed this. The idea came straight from our White House.

Fortunately, looks like literally everyone from all parties stared down the President for having the audacity to hope to take money from the backs of our vets. (Yes, it would have stolen promises directly from veterans, by removing balances from government's immediate expenses, placing them instead on the backs of veterans until reimbursed, and saving the government money in those cases where reimbursement claims were never filed.)

Obama Drops Controversial Third-Party Billing Proposal for Veterans
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/03/18/obama_drops_controversial_thir.html?wprss=44

Dems Fuming Over White House Plan To Make Vets Pay For Service Injuries
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/17/dems-fuming-over-white-ho_n_176006.html

Veterans Groups Blast Obama Plan for Private Insurance to Pay for Service-Related Health Care
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/first100days/2009/03/17/vets-group-blasts-obama-plan-private-insurance-pay-service-related-health-care/

[The G]

Another one of your fine post

Like I said show me one dated after March 16, 2009 from BO that contradicts the letter I posted.

Washington Post Wednesday, March 18, 2009

Huffington Post March 17, 2009 05:33 PM

Faux News Tuesday, March 17, 2009

These stories where written or released after BO released his plan to take care of the troop.

I can post some links on how the troops where treated under George W bush if you like. I'm sure you remember the stories. :D

Its seems your the one not reading well. :D

[nelson]

G come on does the date really matter to you?

the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries [1 (http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/10/veterans.health.insurance/)]

It took political and lobbyist pressure to change his mind.

'Nuff said!

[The G]

G come on does the date really matter to you?



It took political and lobbyist pressure to change his mind.

'Nuff said!According to the dates he made up his mind and post such before the other story where written or released.

YES its the difference between the truth and Dribble. :)

[MYCAR47562]

So You Wouldn't Have A Problem With It If He Decided That He Want's Every Gun Collected In America Then Changes His Mind? And I Choose This Subject As I Know You Also Have Firearms

[The G]

So You Wouldn't Have A Problem With It If He Decided That He Want's Every Gun Collected In America Then Changes His Mind? And I Choose This Subject As I Know You Also Have Firearms

and we get back on your favorite topic. He doesn't want your guns. Again this is BS the right puts out to stir the bucket.

According to the memo he sent out on the March 16 2009 he stated his position and hasn't changed. This is why challenged the forum to show me where he has changed his mind.

[MYCAR47562]

Then Where Did This Come From? And Don't Say The Right As That Hold's No Air At All

I Doubt This Was Made Up Aand If It Was Then I Will Truly Not Argue Anything Political Again As The Press Now A Days Is To Crooked To Be Believed.

Now About Guns Yes It's My Favorite Topic As It's The One I Feel The Strongest About But The Point Was To Try And Show You Why We Are Upset. Not To "stir The Pot" As You Call It.

One Last Thing Why Do They Call It Still The Pot? When You Still The Pot You Mix Everything Together To Make It One Completely Differnt Thing Like Soup's, America And Of Course French People In Nascar. If You Aint First Your Last UseD With Permission From Ricky Bobby Inc.

[right$pecial]

and we get back on your favorite topic. He doesn't want your guns. Again this is BS the right puts out to stir the bucket.

According to the memo he sent out on the March 16 2009 he stated his position and hasn't changed. This is why challenged the forum to show me where he has changed his mind.

MYCAR never said, in this thread, that Obama wants our guns. He presented a hypothetical question and you dodged it.

[The G]

MYCAR never said, in this thread, that Obama wants our guns. He presented a hypothetical question and you dodged it.

I didn't dodge flip I put it to bed. :)

[MYCAR47562]

You Put Nothing To Bed With Me I Won't Believe You About Gun's Till He Is Out Of Office Then I Will Be Happy To Say You Were Right

[MYCAR47562]

And Yes You Did Dodge It Just Admit He Was Wrong And We Can Put This To Bed

[The G]

ya ya

[MYCAR47562]

lol alright i will take that as a very highly motavated eloquent summary on how you feel obama was looking into harming our injured veterans

[The G]

Dig a hole and hide your gun.... hurry hurry they're coming :rofl

[right$pecial]

I bet the Jews who went along with the German government thought the same way about their relatives who fled to the US in the mid 1930's.

[peytonvrscd]

The fact is, this actually came up, it was a thought, a possibility, an option. Who cares if it did or didn't get retracted the same day it was put out. It got retracted because it's just plain stupid.

And G, it was a hypothetical, and you did dodge the question.

Gun laws will only apply to those who abide by the law. Making them more restrictive will only make criminals work harder to get around them, making it worse on those of us who believe in the system....and round and round we go

[Remphoto]

The fact is, this actually came up, it was a thought, a possibility, an option. Who cares if it did or didn't get retracted the same day it was put out. It got retracted because it's just plain stupid.

And G, it was a hypothetical, and you did dodge the question.

Gun laws will only apply to those who abide by the law. Making them more restrictive will only make criminals work harder to get around them, making it worse on those of us who believe in the system....and round and round we go

G will be knocking on the doors of our bunker begging protection when SHTF.:rofl

[The G]

G will be knocking on the doors of our bunker begging protection when SHTF.:rofl You might think that :gun: :D

[synseer]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/Gamble_T2009051620090515044304.jpg

[MYCAR47562]

That Looks Fun

[Jeb]

The truth is gun laws do nothing to deter criminals or make it hard on them to get a gun. They are not going to submit to a background check nor pay the price we pay! They get their guns the old fashion way, they steal them or get them from the Black Market. " Here is your kilo and how about an Uzi to go with it! Ask any criminal that does home invasions or car jacking and they will tell you they hate a homeowner with a gun!:gun:

[MYCAR47562]

shhhhhhhhhh. don't tell them that, it hurt's our cause

[Jeb]

They are rabid dogs when it come to gun banning and they will do it again as every Dem president has!

[MYCAR47562]

Now How Do We Show They Are Full Of Shit?