The middle class

[The G]

This is a good website to track new legislation and how your elected officials vote.

vote.http://www.themiddleclass.org/

[MYCAR47562]

so the bail out was good for the middle class?

ok let me break this down for you we will get 13 dollars a week extra right? ok after about 2 years we are gonna have to start paying it back at close to 30 dollars a week how is this good?

[MYCAR47562]

if it wasn't so left leaning id really like that website

[The G]

It shows the bills under consideration and how elected officials vote. You will be able to see if they are voting the same way they where talking on the campaign trail.

[The G]

so the bail out was good for the middle class?

ok let me break this down for you we will get 13 dollars a week extra right? ok after about 2 years we are gonna have to start paying it back at close to 30 dollars a week how is this good?
The web site is "The middle class" not the left, I don't think you'll find a lot of bills that will run one up our butt unlike the right.

You can click on "Bills" and see if the boogie man is coming after your gun.

[MYCAR47562]

i follow that through the senate voting record's not through a website that decides if it's for the middle class of not

[MYCAR47562]

here's one
http://www.themiddleclass.org/bill/amendment-protect-small-businesses-family-ranches-and-farms-death-tax-2008

how does this effect the middle class? by raising taxes? right

[MYCAR47562]

http://www.themiddleclass.org/bill/amendment-remove-legalization-provisions-immigration-bill-2007

so the middle class rely's on illegal immagrant's to survive? how so?

[The G]

here's one
http://www.themiddleclass.org/bill/amendment-protect-small-businesses-family-ranches-and-farms-death-tax-2008

how does this effect the middle class? by raising taxes? right

Read who sponsors the bill and the reason the are for or opposing it. I really don't think you'll be able to under stand.. :D

[The G]

Ive got to get my son, when get back I'll get a good responce.


Id look at the one bill cause that is one issue I heard you bitch about. :)

[MYCAR47562]

oh i understand it but i also under stand that the top 5% pay what was it like 70% of the taxes so the raise that they might have intaxes wouldn't even be noticeable. plus the bill lower's the tax rate's on those middle class family's that might get inheritance of over 5 million im still not seeing what's wrong with this.

or do you not understand it and just follwing blindly like you normally do?

[MYCAR47562]

Ive got to get my son, when get back I'll get a good responce.


Id look at the one bill cause that is one issue I heard you bitch about. :)

what one bill?

[The G]

You won't


Go hide your gun :)

[MYCAR47562]

i won't cause their is nothing there

and ive already told you im not hiding anything, let em come.

[MYCAR47562]

oh and go get your kid before he thinks you forgot him

[MYCAR47562]

Come On

[The G]

1st is tax cuts for the rich passed during GWB term, they are about to expire and the tax rates going back up. If this was meant to be GWB should have made the tax cuts permanent. If they own a place worth 5 or 10 million they don't need no damn tax cuts. :D

[MYCAR47562]

I Guess No Middle Class People Have Rich Parent's?

[The G]

I Guess No Middle Class People Have Rich Parent's?If they have that kind on money they ain't middle class.

[MYCAR47562]

That Is A Pretty Dumb Statement Man So If Someone's Parents Have 6 Million Dollars Their Kids Have To Be Rich Huh?

[The G]

That Is A Pretty Dumb Statement Man So If Someone's Parents Have 6 Million Dollars Their Kids Have To Be Rich Huh?if they ain't they got sorry a$$ parents.

[MYCAR47562]

Or Good Parent's Alot Of Parent's Want There Kids To Earn Their Own Money. Kinda Crazy How Differnt We Think.

[The G]

http://www.themiddleclass.org/bill/amendment-remove-legalization-provisions-immigration-bill-2007

so the middle class rely's on illegal immagrant's to survive? how so?

Did you read this at all ?

Amendment to Remove Legalization Provisions from the Immigration Bill of 2007
in

* Agricultural labor
* Border enforcement
* Comprehensive immigration reform
* Earned legalization
* Immigration
* Mass deportation
* Path to citizenship


Introduced:
05.22.2007 [Senate]
Sponsor:
Sen. David Vitter [R-LA]
Senate: Yea-29, Nay-66
Failed, not amended to S 1348: 05.24.07
The Legislation:

The Amendment to Remove Legalization Provisions from the Immigration Bill strikes language from the proposed Senate immigration bill that would have created a new category of “Z visas” available to immigrants living in the United States illegally. In the immigration bill, undocumented immigrants present in the U.S. before 2007 could qualify for temporary legal residency (the Z visa), and ultimately get in line for citizenship after passing a background check, demonstrating efforts to learn English and U.S. civics, and paying substantial fines. This amendment would have eliminated the entire Z visa section of the bill, removing the only means for millions of undocumented immigrants currently living and working in the U.S. to legalize their immigration status. The result would be an immigration bill that maintains the status quo for undocumented immigrants while de facto endorsing their mass deportation.

Read this again and tell if your for or against this bill ? :coffee

[Remphoto]

Or Good Parent's Alot Of Parent's Want There Kids To Earn Their Own Money. Kinda Crazy How Differnt We Think.

Exactly. I also know some farmers who own $1 Million+ in land but make less $70,000/year farming. They are only rich if they sell their land, which they won't as it was handed down from their forefathers. I would not call them rich but am sure BO has them targeted via death taxes.

[MYCAR47562]

Your Right G I Missed One Very Big Part Of That. Im Wrong On That One. That's What I Get For Working And Trying To Keep Up

[The G]

Or Good Parent's Alot Of Parent's Want There Kids To Earn Their Own Money. Kinda Crazy How Differnt We Think.

I would be more than glad to help my son out.

[The G]

Or Good Parent's a lot Of Parent's Want There Kids To Earn Their Own Money. Kinda Crazy How Different We Think.

I would be more than glad to help my son out.

[The G]

I'm pissed that bill didn't pass.

[MYCAR47562]

Why?.

[The G]

Do you read anything ?

[MYCAR47562]

Yes But You Didn't Say Which One And I Figured You Ment The Immagration Bill

[The G]

Yes thats the one

I guess you feel the same way ?

[MYCAR47562]

Ok I May Have Confused Myself But Yes I Do Wish It Would Have Been Passed If It Was To Stike The Z-visa's. Am I Confused Or Am I Reading To Much Into Your Posts?

[The G]

Ok I May Have Confused Myself But Yes I Do Wish It Would Have Been Passed If It Was To Stike The Z-visa's. Am I Confused Or Am I Reading To Much Into Your Posts?Thats my understanding.

[MYCAR47562]

But According To Your Websit They Wanted It Struck Down They Like Immagrant Labor

[The G]

But According To Your Websit They Wanted It Struck Down They Like Immagrant LaborI didn't say I agree with everything they do.

[MYCAR47562]

Lol Ok

[Oriondk]

1st is tax cuts for the rich passed during GWB term, they are about to expire and the tax rates going back up. If this was meant to be GWB should have made the tax cuts permanent. If they own a place worth 5 or 10 million they don't need no damn tax cuts. :D

I am totally and absolutely against any kind of death tax or inheritance tax whatsoever, especially when you're talking about rates of 45% or 60% like they are. If I start a business, work hard, built a nice home that increases in value, invest my money wisely, all the while paying income and property and employer taxes, etc. why should any government have the right to take any amount of that money when I die? It's money I made and employed people with and invested in companies with so they could grow. The damn government has no right to that money at all. They may have the power to take it, but they sure don't have the right.

[nelson]

G I love you man. I typed up a letter for you. Let's throw on some stamps and fire up the mass mailer. :D
---

Dear Everyone Else in the USA,

I want your money. How much of your money I want shall be determined by how much money you have. I do not want to work for your money, I want you to give it to me. If you do not give me your money, I will take it from you with force.

Signed,

The G

[The G]

The bill makes my point that Republicans take care of the rich and big business. Watch the web site and see how many bills the Republicans submit that help the middle class or the rich and business. American's need to look at the legislation being sponsor by the Republicans and see who it favors. The bills speak for them selves.

[MYCAR47562]

that bill we were talking about was started by a rep. and guess how your group voted

[The G]

almost all of ours voted against, which makes my point.

[Johnny Dangerously]

This is a good website to track new legislation and how your elected officials vote.

vote.http://www.themiddleclass.org/

Pfft!!! What is this? A liberal think tank?

If you want a true NON-Partisan website to see how politicians voted (without the class warfare spin and political slant) you can go to www.vote-smart.org

Find the issue you're interested in and see how they voted. Then you can decide what it means rather than have someone else tell you. The [true] American way my friend....;)

[cajun]

Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, come on man. libs thinking for themselves. surely you jest.

[The G]

Pfft!!! What is this? A liberal think tank?

If you want a true NON-Partisan website to see how politicians voted (without the class warfare spin and political slant) you can go to www.vote-smart.org

Find the issue you're interested in and see how they voted. Then you can decide what it means rather than have someone else tell you. The [true] American way my friend....;)My link works just fine. :)

[MYCAR47562]

almost all of ours voted against, which makes my point.

what's your point? we wanted it to pass.

[Johnny Dangerously]

Johnny, Johnny, Johnny, come on man. libs thinking for themselves. surely you jest.

:D Yeah, I know, probably a hopeless cause, but I'm just an eternal optimist. I like to think that at some point they will actually come around... :rofl

[The G]

:D Yeah, I know, probably a hopeless cause, but I'm just an eternal optimist. I like to think that at some point they will actually come around... :rofl we can't stand another 8 years of thinking for yourself :)

[Johnny Dangerously]

we can't stand another 8 years of thinking for yourself :)
I think I'll try. You, on the other hand, should probably wipe off that kool-aide mustache - it just doesn't look cool while riding a Harley... ;)

[The G]

I think I'll try. You, on the other hand, should probably wipe off that kool-aide mustache - it just doesn't look cool while riding a Harley... ;)The full face covers it up and I like lemon lime.

[Johnny Dangerously]

The full face covers it up and I like lemon lime.

:rofl You're a good sport G. One of the many things I like about you...

[MYCAR47562]

man im starting to think your just getting bored g and trying to fuck with me... i tell you your doing a good job

[MYCAR47562]

After Looking Back Over This Site I Am Sure This Iste Is Bias.... Like We Didn't Know That.


Oh And How Are Yall Spending Your 13 Dollars A Week? Anybody Make Any Addition's To There Houses Yet?

[right$pecial]

After Looking Back Over This Site I Am Sure This Iste Is Bias.... Like We Didn't Know That.


Oh And How Are Yall Spending Your 13 Dollars A Week? Anybody Make Any Addition's To There Houses Yet?

I used my extra 13 dollars to post sale ads to sell my bike. Does that count as a good thing?

[MYCAR47562]

no not at all it sucks

[Remphoto]

Rightspecial you seem just a little too glad to have parted with your vrod -- what's up with that?

And I use my $13 to buy gas for my vrod.

[MYCAR47562]

Has Anyone Actually Seen The 13 Bucks?

[right$pecial]

Rightspecial you seem just a little too glad to have parted with your vrod -- what's up with that?

And I use my $13 to buy gas for my vrod.

Oh I'm not. The irony is that our tough times have caused the sale and that's why I posted it. I'm still looking for a summer job in between semesters and every major employer around here is damn near belly up. The go to place for summer help had 500 people on the floor two years ago and now they're down to 80 and even they only operate four days a week. Ah well, one more semester and I'll go nearly anywhere in the country to start a career and with that career will probably come another V-Rod. In the meantime I'm taking half the money from the sale and picking up a Ulysses Friday. With the magical ability to inflate gas prices without actually raising the cost of oil one must never be without a solid motorcycle.

[MYCAR47562]

I Was Trying To Figure Out How To Trade Mine In On A Better Mpg Bike To Save Money But Don't Think I Can

[right$pecial]

I Was Trying To Figure Out How To Trade Mine In On A Better Mpg Bike To Save Money But Don't Think I Can

A trade in is probably a no go. Only way to do it is to sell and then buy another bike privately. The downside is that the bike market sucks and you'll probably take a hit on the V-Rod, but on the up side the guy you buy the other bike from will also take a hit, so; as long as it is all about motorcycles you won't be too screwed. Of course this assumes the bike is paid off to begin with.

[MYCAR47562]

Deffinatly Not Paid Off..... I Wish Though

[MYCAR47562]

If It Was Paid Off I WouldN'T Be Looking To Trade

[Jeb]

I bought the new 2008 CBR 1000RR because it was light and gets good milage if you stay out of the throttle! I can't sale my TC/IC VROD! 170 HORSES I MIGHT JUST NEED!

[Max]

I'm still looking for a summer job in between semesters and every major employer around here is damn near belly up.

You are so right about this, I keep hearing on the news that things are better because the market is up. The market is up from profit taking and not due to any business decisions. This morning even 6 flags in dallas filed chapter 11. I believe we have a huge wave of business's getting ready to close down and they are hanging on by a thread hoping things improve. My own thought is that the worst will actually hit in March 2010. I know economist say were going to be recovering. Of course they were the same people that didn't see this bubble busting.

I'll explain why I think that. As we near the end of summer retail jobs will pickup just a little due to preparing for the holiday season. This next coming holiday season is going to really pull the rug out from many that are just holding on. That will be reflected in a large number of closures at the first of 2010 followed by another round of not only home foreclosures but also commercial properties like we have never seen. There you have my simple reasoning and logic. If your back in the market like I am start pulling back to bonds early in Sept or late August.

[MYCAR47562]

i just pulled out of the market cause i need the money... sucks cause i was just starting to make money.

[nelson]

You are so right about this, I keep hearing on the news that things are better because the market is up. The market is up from profit taking and not due to any business decisions. This morning even 6 flags in dallas filed chapter 11. I believe we have a huge wave of business's getting ready to close down and they are hanging on by a thread hoping things improve. My own thought is that the worst will actually hit in March 2010. I know economist say were going to be recovering. Of course they were the same people that didn't see this bubble busting.

I'll explain why I think that. As we near the end of summer retail jobs will pickup just a little due to preparing for the holiday season. This next coming holiday season is going to really pull the rug out from many that are just holding on. That will be reflected in a large number of closures at the first of 2010 followed by another round of not only home foreclosures but also commercial properties like we have never seen. There you have my simple reasoning and logic. If your back in the market like I am start pulling back to bonds early in Sept or late August.Totally agree with everything you are saying. This recent slight bounce in the market is just the calm before the storm.

Now is the time to prepare to ride through it. I've been selling my stocks and mutual funds lately in preparation to move to bonds, notes, and maybe some commodities if I get bold. Also going to sell some things and try to find some income.

On the bright side, all this will effect the 2010 congressional elections, which could serve to slow down some of Obama's plans. But I'm sure he knows this and will push through everything he can in the meantime!

[TaxmanHog]

Cascading effects in the economy will continue like a P wave in an earth quake zone.

Imagine a formerly calm pond in which pea stone, small rock & boulders are persistently dropped, all the ripples are disturbances which in some cases neutralize and other cases magnify.

The Fat Lady has not yet sung.

[MYCAR47562]

http://themiddleclass.org/bill/american-clean-energy-and-security-act-2009


HAHAHAHA RIGHT THEY AREN'T BIAS AT ALL....WHAT A LOAD OF CROCK..... OH WAIT THIS IS CNN REPORTING

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http://themiddleclass.org/bill/american-clean-energy-and-security-act-2009


HAHAHAHA RIGHT THEY AREN'T BIAS AT ALL....WHAT A LOAD OF CROCK..... OH WAIT THIS IS CNN REPORTING

Now that one is funny. Seems to forget one of the important benefits in their so-called list -- the ability to make rich those trading in the credits such as Algore and company.

Also, how are they going to "cap and trade" against natural emitters of CO2 like forest fires and volcanos. Or me-- burning brush in my back yard and my woodburning fireplace and firepit? In your face algore and assorted environmental wackos!

[MYCAR47562]

they will start taxing the county the volcano's are in, they will tax the fire stattion's fighting the forest fire's


and i can already see it mandated federal goverment burn permit's..... only takes them 2 years to get you the $500 permit, paid up front.

[right$pecial]

Six Flags! Now that hits closer to home than the one factory in my hometown's issues. I remember going there many times as a kid. Will future generations be reduced to the slip and slide for entertainment?

[MYCAR47562]

Six Flags! Now that hits closer to home than the one factory in my hometown's issues. I remember going there many times as a kid. Will future generations be reduced to the slip and slide for entertainment?

can't waste the water.... i also spent a good part of my childhood at sixflag's grew up 5 miles from the one in atlanta.... when i was 13 i swear that park was my baby sitter i was there so much during the day