vietnam

[MYCAR47562]

ok i was watching rambo 2 (i was drunk) and i got to thinking why is it that i think of veitnam vet's as crazy but ww2 vet's as patriotic? i would never treat either one as un pathriotic, but i do tend to think of the younger generation as not as patriotic. and it doesn't make sence.



please don't think i look down on any veitnam vet's i just feel differntly could someone try and explain?

im very proud to be from this country and every soldier that ever fought for me so please don't take it negativly i use these forum's for self-help as much as i do for learning

[Remphoto]

The only crazy Vietnam Vets are Oliver Stone, John Kerry and others of that ilk. :) Seriously, anyone who fought in any war including Vietnam deserve respect. Unlike those returning from other wars, Vietnam vets returned to a country loaded with anti-war protestors and various other rabble-rousers and their willing media accomplices (who were liberal even then, we just did not know because we had no alternative media). They denigrated the war and also those who served, calling them baby-killers and worse. In addition a number of the soldiers were traumatized by the horrors of war and did not receive the help they needed. T

[nelson]

Exactly. Vietnam could have been much different had our nation stood behind our soldiers. The bleeding hearts took over and turned everyone here against our cause (and therefore, our soldiers), simply on the basis of disliking war ... as if they were the only ones who dislike war LOL. So the vets returned to a country that didn't really appreciate their service. And when you're away at war, the one thing you desperately need is the support of your country.

[Freethinker]

The negative connotation of Vietnam is purely political. It marks the darkest time in our history, as far as I'm concerned. It marked the beginning of Hollywierd getting involved in politics (Hanoi Jane), and the liberal rise to power. It is the time in our history that marks the beginning of the fall of the Republic.

So much political misinformation came from the Vietnam war era, I don't even know where to begin. Calling troops "baby killers" as they returned from the theater, to the unreliability of the M-16 platform of firearms. It's just atrocious. The stigma of the war stays today.

[right$pecial]

Because the Vietnam vets were painted as crazy by the media and certain other segments of society while the WW2 vets were painted as patriotic heroes. That is the only reason. I've known a lot of Vietnam vets and they are a wealth of information to current soldiers and they are held with the up most respect by them.

[MYCAR47562]

actually i was watching info on the m16 the other day and the reasoning behind the bad rep was because they didn't think they m16 didn't have to be cleaned and it was jamming because unburnt gunpowder was jamming the shells before it could be all the way in the chamber and it would blow and lock up the gun

[right$pecial]

Yeah a lot of the vets I've talked to had issues with the early M16. They also had to change the type of powder that they were using and the early magazines were garbage.

[Remphoto]

The ejector button was on there for a reason. Also the .223 round could be deflected by jungle underbrush.

[MYCAR47562]

when the m16 was is design they were using stick powder but when they went into full manufacturing they went with cheaper ball powder and it didn't burn as well leaving residue.

they added the forward assist in the m16a1 to help fight the dirty chamber also chrome lined barrel to fight fouling like what use to happen to m/l's back in the day

[The G]

The ejector button was on there for a reason. Also the .223 round could be deflected by jungle underbrush.
I think it's a "forward assist".... but I don't know anything about guns :)

[MYCAR47562]

I think it's a "forward assist".... but I don't know anything about guns :) GOOD JOB G YOU FIGURED IT OUT FROM MY POST :gun::rofl:gun:

[libtard]

WW II vets were defending our homeland that was attacked. Vietnam vets were never sure why they were in that jungle to begin with. WW II vets could look at a map and tell where the good guys and bad guys were. Vietnam grunt was surrounded by bad guys, often in the same camp. WW II soldier relaxed with a chocolate bar and red wine. Vietnam soldier could unwind with heroin and diseased hookers.

It's impossible to compare, IMHO. Half the Vietnam Vets I know have got a screw loose, God bless every one of 'em.

[scol]

The attitude of the public back int he 60s and 70s toward military personal can be summed up this way I was spat at as I walked through the door at Logan air port by a sweet young thing in a mini skirt. As far as being crazy I wasn't over there, know several that where, it lot has to do with torment.

[The G]

GOOD JOB G YOU FIGURED IT OUT FROM MY POST :gun::rofl:gun:I didn't read your post, but I did get hands on training from Uncle Sam and put a few rounds down range too :deal:

[MYCAR47562]

You Might Be Well Served To Read My Posts Might Help You Learn Common Sence Over That Koolaide Sence

[The G]

You know I need my Lemon Lime Kool-Aid. :coffee

[right$pecial]

The attitude of the public back int he 60s and 70s toward military personal can be summed up this way I was spat at as I walked through the door at Logan air port by a sweet young thing in a mini skirt. As far as being crazy I wasn't over there, know several that where, it lot has to do with torment.

Exactly and Scol and I am so sorry you had to endure that. I can't imagine how I would react if that happened to me. When I got off the plane there were old ladies and vets waiting to hug us and shake our hands. I do know a lot of guys who would despise our nation if they were treated that way. It is also a little different in that we were not drafted, but there are a lot of people who feel like they were drafted simply because of their place in society.

[MYCAR47562]

You know I need my Lemon Lime Kool-Aid. :coffee

G IF YOU PM ME YOUR ADDRESS ILL SHIP YOU SOME GOOD KOOLAIDE

[Remphoto]

Exactly and Scol and I am so sorry you had to endure that. I can't imagine how I would react if that happened to me. When I got off the plane there were old ladies and vets waiting to hug us and shake our hands. I do know a lot of guys who would despise our nation if they were treated that way. It is also a little different in that we were not drafted, but there are a lot of people who feel like they were drafted simply because of their place in society.

I was in college in the early 1970's when the Vets were coming back from Vietnam. Many of them enrolled in classes, grew their hair long and attempted to fit in. They didn't of course because they were more respectful and mature than the rest of us college hooligans The way they were treated by many of the faculty and students was deporable and to my own shame I never went out of my way to befriend them (though I never scorned them either, realizing but for the grace of God -- and a high draft lottery number) -- went I.)

[scol]

Exactly and Scol and I am so sorry you had to endure that. I can't imagine how I would react if that happened to me. When I got off the plane there were old ladies and vets waiting to hug us and shake our hands. I do know a lot of guys who would despise our nation if they were treated that way. It is also a little different in that we were not drafted, but there are a lot of people who feel like they were drafted simply because of their place in society.

No need for you to be sorry, I reacted by holding my dignity and walked on. Nam was a mistake I knew it then and know it now, bigger mistake was blaming the vets and military personal, to dishonor a returning solder is dishonoring themselves. It was such a confusing time, most people didn't know witch end was up or witch end was down. All I know is they blamed the wrong people for what happened over there, and took it out on the uniform.

[scol]

I was in college in the early 1970's when the Vets were coming back from Vietnam. Many of them enrolled in classes, grew their hair long and attempted to fit in. They didn't of course because they were more respectful and mature than the rest of us college hooligans The way they were treated by many of the faculty and students was deporable and to my own shame I never went out of my way to befriend them (though I never scorned them either, realizing but for the grace of God -- and a high draft lottery number) -- went I.)

It's over lets all move on brother.