North Korea Launches Missile

[Max]

North Korea Launches Missile, well what do you think?

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I think it would not have happened had GWB still been in office.

[right$pecial]

What was our response?

[Max]

What was our response?


The launch just took place and so far no response. I'm not saying this has anything to do with BO, this has to do with the entire world IMHO and how they look at it.

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Japan said they would shoot down any debris from their airspace.:rofl

No response from anyone else. The silence is deafening.

[TaxmanHog]

Any news as to whether or not a satellite was actually place in orbit?
Or is this a failure, under guise to prove how far the rocket could reach if used as an ICBM?

[cajun]

They said the first stage fell in the ocean between N.Korea and Japan. The other stages and payload landed in the ocean to. Korea said it went into orbit, everybody else said it did'nt. The U.N. security council called for an emergency meeting. Russia said to calm down and take a wait and see attitude. Looks like somebody's git a good wrist slappin. This was deffanitly a ICBM test.

[The G]

I think it would not have happened had GWB still been in office.oh hell no. What would he had done, called them names and stop talking to them ? Thats why we are in the boat you see us in today, set down and try some diplomacy. We have lost over 20 years of work by other presidents because of GWB foreign policy's, look at where we are with Russia today. This is why BO came across so well in Europe this past week, they where so glad to get rid of Captain Det dee dee and his failed foreign policy.

[cajun]

I'm sorta confused here guys, BO wants to reduce our nukes and spend less on missile defense systems, but we have new threats from N.Korea and Iran and any number of roque states. Should'nt we be spending more to upgrade our supplies?

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I'm sorta confused here guys, BO wants to reduce our nukes and spend less on missile defense systems, but we have new threats from N.Korea and Iran and any number of roque states. Should'nt we be spending more to upgrade our supplies?

You nailed it. These rogue nations understand power, not "kumbaya" peaceniks diplomacy. When one's enemies are saying nice things, watch for the hand holding the knife. G, aay all you wanted about GWB's "failed policies" (and you will - Lib talking point to take focus off of BO's deficiencies) but we were much safer under GWB and even BC than we are under this current yo-yo.

[The G]

I'm sorta confused here guys, BO wants to reduce our nukes and spend less on missile defense systems, but we have new threats from N.Korea and Iran and any number of roque states. Should'nt we be spending more to upgrade our supplies?Because of the lack of diplomacy is why we have has this mess today. You do remember Regean and what he had accomplished ? We have enough to blow them off the map and we can reach and touch them real quick. I think if their missile system does work it might hit Alaska....:rofl

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Because of the lack of diplomacy is why we have has this mess today. You do remember Regean and what he had accomplished ? We have enough to blow them off the map and we can reach and touch them real quick. I think if their missile system does work it might hit Alaska....:rofl

I remember exactly what Reagan did to bring down the wall and it had nothing to do with hand-holding and singing 'round the campfire. It had to do with a strong defense and a challenge to "tear down the wall". Not, "America is arrogant and has been wrong, and if you want to tear down the wall, we sure would appreciate it". The threat of added defense (what you Liberals denigrated as "Star Wars") certainly added to the Soviet decision to back off. One cannot do diplomacy with unreasonable people who cut off heads bomb innocent bystanders.

[cajun]

Yea ur right "G" hell who cares if they blow up Sarah,,huh . And if they can only hit alaska i'm sure they will be satisfied and won't keep trying to improve upon their system. I bet their probably done now. I'm glad i have you to splain thins to me G man.

[The G]

I remember exactly what Reagan did to bring down the wall and it had nothing to do with hand-holding and singing 'round the campfire. It had to do with a strong defense and a challenge to "tear down the wall". Not, "America is arrogant and has been wrong, and if you want to tear down the wall, we sure would appreciate it". The threat of added defense (what you Liberals denigrated as "Star Wars") certainly added to the Soviet decision to back off. One cannot do diplomacy with unreasonable people who cut off heads bomb innocent bystanders.

We out spent them .

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We out spent them .

Yes we did, much to the dismay of many Democrats; and we backed them down. BO wants to do the opposite - reduce defense spending and sing 'round the campfire with terrorist thugs.

[The G]

Yes we did, much to the dismay of many Democrats; and we backed them down. BO wants to do the opposite - reduce defense spending and sing 'round the campfire with terrorist thugs.

I didn't know Reagan had the house and senate to pass all the changes ?

I think we helped.:p

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I didn't know Reagan had the house and senate to pass all the changes ?

I think we helped.:p

To claim the liberals helped with SDI is quite a stretch. The left-wingers derided the plan and their friends in the press made fun of "Star Wars". The excuse was that space would become militarized. To the extent that Congress helped him was only because Reagan had the ability to bypass Congress and speak directly to the people, thus applying public pressure. SDI went against liberal philosophy. The Soviets were wise enough to realize they did not have the resources to compete and they knew Reagan's resolve would make it happen. I love it when you guys try to revise history, especially when some of us are old enough to personally remember the events and context of the day.

[The G]

Like I said if you guys didn't have both houses, we helped.

I think they finally got one rocket to working in 2001 after spending 120 billon dollars.

[nelson]

Well, this launch shows Kim Jong Il does not let pressure from the "international community" determine his actions. You have to respect that. But with nuclear weapons and long range missile capability, North Korea becomes a serious threat. And there is just no telling what this man will do. Consider that his little country has the fourth largest standing army in the world, and (much more telling) a very high proportion of troops to citizens - the highest in the world [1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_active_troops)]. That alone says to me that we shouldn't trust Kim Jong Il.

I don't think we can live in fear of every crazy leader's incremental power gains. Weapons empower nations, so the world is going to arm up no matter what. America can't stop this from happening; to think we can is vain and short sighted.

Along those lines, any desire to rid the world of nuclear weapons (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6039066.ece) is a dangerous pipe dream. Possessing "the bomb" is an achievement in terms of power. We can't reach an achievement, then expect others not to. ("Hey guys, just walked on the moon. Um, you guys stay down there.") That goes for long range missiles and other weapons as well. The rest of the world is coming.

How do we in the USA respond to this particular missile launching? I know what we ought to do. We ought to pull our heads out of our peacenik bailout asses, stop believing we can disarm the world, and do what it takes to ensure that we stay at the forefront of weapons and anti-weapons design and technology. If one thing is clearly the domain of our federal government, it's national defense.

[MYCAR47562]

we would have blown it up while it was trying to take off. you know we have to have something that can shoot lazer beam's out of it's nipple's to melt a rocket in flight if not why does it could so much money?

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we would have blown it up while it was trying to take off. you know we have to have something that can shoot lazer beam's out of it's nipple's to melt a rocket in flight if not why does it could so much money?

Good point. According to G, SDI cost more than $100 Billion. Assuming that is true (realizing that G is never wrong:) ) I would say it was money well spent, especially compared to the Trillions being frittered away by BO on his porkulus programs, propping up GM, etc. The primary role of Government is national defense. Also, technology developed for SDI is still used in some of our other defensive systems.

[The G]

Good point. According to G, SDI cost more than $100 Billion. Assuming that is true (realizing that G is never wrong:) ) I would say it was money well spent, especially compared to the Trillions being frittered away by BO on his porkulus programs, propping up GM, etc. The primary role of Government is national defense. Also, technology developed for SDI is still used in some of our other defensive systems.well if GM built one car with that much money how would you feel ? :D

I've been wrong before and most likely be again.:p

[The G]

we would have blown it up while it was trying to take off. you know we have to have something that can shoot lazer beam's out of it's nipple's to melt a rocket in flight if not why does it could so much money?if he could find the correct missile or country. :rofl

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]well if GM built one car with that much money how would you feel ? :D [/B]
I've been wrong before and most likely be again.:p

Not to digress G, but that is the frustrating part about GM. Over the years they have had enormous financial resources compared to their competitors, yet they have failed to develop, build and market cars that are competitive. I read somewhere that Toyota and GM built approximately the same number of cars last year yet the financial results were tremendously different.

[The G]

Not to digress G, but that is the frustrating part about GM. Over the years they have had enormous financial resources compared to their competitors, yet they have failed to develop, build and market cars that are competitive. I read somewhere that Toyota and GM built approximately the same number of cars last year yet the financial results were tremendously different.if they would do away with RTW states we wouldn't have this problem. :)

[MYCAR47562]

Rtw? Does That Mean Right To Choose If They Wanna Join?

[The G]

Rtw? Does That Mean Right To Choose If They Wanna Join?
yes..

[MYCAR47562]

So You Believe They Should Have To Join? Hum That Speaks Volume's About You.

[The G]

So You Believe They Should Have To Join? Hum That Speaks Volume's About You.
join or you don't work there, plain and simple.:D

[MYCAR47562]

Sounds Like A Gang To Me

[The G]

Sounds Like A Gang To Me

Its called brotherhood. :D

[MYCAR47562]

Lol Yeah I Bet You Do

[nelson]

Brotherhood doesn't call for mandatory dues.

But back to North Korea's missile launch. Obama condemned the launch in Prague, calling for punishment. I don't know what he thinks the UN is going to do. We already know that North Korea really doesn't care about sanctions.

No decision from U.N. meeting on North Korea
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30035197/

The U.S. and its allies sought punishment Sunday for North Korea's defiant launch of a rocket that apparently fizzled into the Pacific, holding an emergency U.N. meeting in response to the "provocative act" that some believe was a long-range missile test.

Furthermore, China and Russia are siding with North Korea. No matter what they say to our face, it is in the best interest of both China and Russia to watch small, upstarts like North Korea and Iran test the United States and the new Obama administration... because this totally exposes our weaknesses. It also exposes the impotence of the UN:

The U.S. said nuclear-armed North Korea clearly violated the resolution, but objections from Russia and China — the North's closest ally — will almost certainly water down any strong response. Both have Security Council veto power.

Meanwhile, Obama picked up on the launch to push for more nuclear cuts. The USA, of course, is to lead the way by cutting our nuclear stockpiles first. I think this is very dangerous. Why would we volunteer to move to a world where the chief superpower has no nuclear weapons, while a bunch of rogue states like North Korea and Iran are building bombs? How long do we really think that can last? And are we really naive enough to think that if we courteously cut our nuclear weapons... other countries who deeply resent us... are going to help force other countries who absolutely hate us... reduce their weapons stockpiles? And do we really think anyone else will actually comply?

Obama Seizes on Missile Launch in Seeking Nuclear Cuts
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/06/us/politics/06prexy.html?ref=global-home

Mr. Obama said that his administration would “reduce the role of nuclear weapons” in its national security strategy, and would urge other countries to do the same. He pointed to the agreement he reached last week with President Dmitri A. Medvedev of Russia to begin negotiations on reducing warheads and stockpiles, and said the two countries would try to reach an agreement by the end of the year. He also promised to aggressively pursue American ratification of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, which in the past has faced strong opposition in Congress.

It is a strategy based on the idea that if the United States shows it is willing to greatly shrink the size of its atomic arsenal, ban nuclear testing and cut off the worldwide production of bomb material, reluctant allies and partners around the world will be more likely to rewrite nuclear treaties and enforce sanctions against North Korea and Iran.

[MYCAR47562]

Wow The More I Hear About This The More I Really Wonder If He Has Any Common Sence?


Ok I Know That Obama Is Trying To Do The Good Thing Here(we Hope) And I Really Can Be Grateful For It But On The Off Chance He Is Wrong We Better Be Ready Half Of Us Will Be Gone

[The G]

get over it change is coming. :)

[MYCAR47562]

Yep More Than Likely Change Is Coming In Disguise Of A War

[The G]

Yep More Than Likely Change Is Coming In Disguise Of A War

IF thats the case we'll start the war in the right country.

[MYCAR47562]

what our's?

[The G]

what our's?

WHAT !!

[MYCAR47562]

IF thats the case we'll start the war in the right country.

what our's?

WHAT !!

get it now?

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Again you nailed it MyCar. G and his Dem friends are out to start a war in this country by taking over our individual liberties, forcing people into unions and generally dismantling over 200 years of US History.

[MYCAR47562]

what the blind eye chooses not to see.

[The G]

Again you nailed it MyCar. G and his Dem friends are out to start a war in this country by taking over our individual liberties, forcing people into unions and generally dismantling over 200 years of US History.You know thats not the case, we move troops to the right country to finish what you guys started.

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Why waste time and lives on that piece of barren rock? I'd put our money where there is something worth fighting over (i.e., free-flow of oil at market prices).

But I do think you made a Freudian slip regarding war on this Country because that is what BO's heavy-handed tactics with our businesses and dissenters is likely to cause -- the class warfare you so crave.

[The G]

Why waste time and lives on that piece of barren rock? I'd put our money where there is something worth fighting over (i.e., free-flow of oil at market prices). Like Iraq ?:)

But I do think you made a Freudian slip regarding war on this Country because that is what BO's heavy-handed tactics with our businesses and dissenters is likely to cause -- the class warfare you so crave. Its been class warfare for the last 8 years.

[MYCAR47562]

no class warfare hasn't happened in this country yet

[The G]

no class warfare hasn't happened in this country yetYou need to get out more. :)

[MYCAR47562]

you should read history that will show you class warfare what we have now is political warfare using people as puppets

[The G]

you should read history that will show you class warfare what we have now is political warfare using people as puppets
Your learning. :thumb:

[nelson]

I'm a capitalist; I don't have an ounce of class warfare in my body.

Anyway, some are speculating the North Korea missile launch was a failed attempt to launch a satellite. I don't know if that's really the full story; in the West today, our international speculation is often led awry by our own self-absorption. But that's all the analysis we currently have.

North Korean Missile Launch Was a Failure, Experts Say
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/06/world/asia/06korea.html?_r=1&hp

Others are saying it's not a "failure." Again, our knowledge of North Korea is limited and who really knows whether Kim Jong Il's goals and intentions are ever as stated. All we really have now is his propaganda, and ours.

But, whether it was his goal or not, he did accomplish something: the US is taking him seriously, and so are other countries near North Korea and around the world.

Analysts: NKorean rocket launch not total failure
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/as_nkorea_missile

[MYCAR47562]

Your learning. :thumb:

ACTUALLY I THINK IM GONNA MAKE THAT PART OF MY CAMPAIGN AS IM THE PUPPET AD MY CONSTITUENT'S ARE THE ONE'S WHO CONTROL ME IT WILL GET THE YOUTH'S ATTENTION AND THE OLD PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT IS HOW IT IS SUPPOSE TO BE NOT THE WAY IT IS NOW

[MYCAR47562]

Oh And G Realize Your Side Is Just As Bad If Not Worse

[The G]

Oh And G Realize Your Side Is Just As Bad If Not Worse no way not even close.

["shazbat"]

Would be an interesting test opportunity for one of our Laser weapons.
I would suspect that it would be indetectable to them, and the missle would just explode. Oops, back to the drawing board. ;)

[The G]

Would be an interesting test opportunity for one of our Laser weapons.
I would suspect that it would be indetectable to them, and the missle would just explode. Oops, back to the drawing board. ;)

Now that I like :)

[MYCAR47562]

no way not even close.

OF COURSE THE BLIND EYE NEVER SEE'S

[MYCAR47562]

Would be an interesting test opportunity for one of our Laser weapons.
I would suspect that it would be indetectable to them, and the missle would just explode. Oops, back to the drawing board. ;)

WE WOULD NEVER DO THAT, AT LEAST OBAMA WOULDN'T.

[The G]

This is a good place for this one .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFISGhIXDaw&feature=channel

[MYCAR47562]

This is a good place for this one .


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFISGhIXDaw&feature=channel

overview?

[The G]

:rofl

[MYCAR47562]

:rofl

YOU KNOW I CAN'T WATCH IT RIGHT NOW BUT I STILL WANNA TALK ABOUT IT

[The G]

Watch it when you get home.

[MYCAR47562]

You Suck G

[Jeb]

Diplomacy are you on drugs G! You must negotiate through total dominance as we broke the cccp! Read some histoy brother! Jeb

[The G]

We out spent Russian on military and Reagan back Osama Bin laden in Afghanistan against Russia. I think thats in the history books.


A little history lesson

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/?page=article&id=1747

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We out spent Russian on military and Reagan back Osama Bin laden in Afghanistan against Russia. I think thats in the history books.


A little history lesson

http://www.veteransforcommonsense.org/?page=article&id=1747

That's right, to win a war you have to overpower the enemy. And we often have supported people who later became our enemies (i.e. Your Dems supported Stalin at one time if I recall).

[The G]

I don't know I wasn't around at the time. :D

[Jeb]

Clinton had him served up in the Sudan and he said "Nope"! BlackHawk Down convinced Osama that Clinton would cut and run and therefore "911"!! In Da Books! Jeb

[The G]

Any lose of life is bad, but GWB cost us 4000 + lives for fighting a war in the wrong country.

[MYCAR47562]

Any lose of life is bad, but GWB cost us 4000 + lives for fighting a war in the wrong country.

THAT IS THE WEAKEST POINT YOU HAVE EVER MADE AND THAT IS SAYING SOMETHING

[The G]

Some times facts are tough to read.

[TaxmanHog]

Under ground Nuke Test this evening.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,521617,00.html

[gtrman66]

Things are not looking good. Kim Jung is thumbing his nose at BO. My prediction? BO will make a speech. Nothing more will be done and N. Korea will gain in strength.

[cajun]

N.Korea thumbed there noses at BO, so did Iran, Amadydijad wants to debate Bo at the U.N., Netanyahu told him to take a hike to. I thought we were going to be loved by the world.

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N.Korea thumbed there noses at BO, so did Iran, Amadydijad wants to debate Bo at the U.N., Netanyahu told him to take a hike to. I thought we were going to be loved by the world.

Well, the Europeans love us so all is good.:D

[cajun]

Well, the Europeans love us so all is good.:D


Not so Rem, with the new tax laws, they might not let Americans put money in there banks. ,BO is pissin in everybody's cornflakes. :)

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Not so Rem, with the new tax laws, they might not let Americans put money in there banks. ,BO is pissin in everybody's cornflakes. :)

Now wait a minute, Cajun. We were led to believe that one of GWB's big problems was that he made the rest of the world despise us. He wouldn't play footsie with them. Then the Messiah arises, does his rock star tour of Europe to standing ovations and all is well. The misunderstood moslem world is to fall at his feet because He sympathizes with them (and might even secretly be one of them).

Now you are telling me this is not happening? That the world is seeing what some of knew all along -- that BO is a sock puppet empty suit? How can this be?

[TaxmanHog]

Not so Rem, with the new tax laws, they might not let Americans put money in there banks.

Which new tax laws are you referring to?:coffee

The ones where Treasury/IRS is seeking access to information about deposits in foreign banks by US citizens who trying to avoid paying ANY income taxes? :gun:

[cajun]

The rest of the world knew what he was to start with, now we have an apeaser. And every third world country will try us now.

[cajun]

I think that's the one, i read the story on Drudge last week.Here's the artical.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/5374095/British-banks-revolt-against-Obama-tax-plan.html

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The rest of the world knew what he was to start with, now we have an apeaser. And every third world country will try us now.

Agreed. If I were a terrorist or some anti-American dictator watching BO's speech (posted by Roy in another thread) it would be pretty clear that BO is an appeaser and has not backbone. Captured terrorists will have "rights" when it comes to interrogation so no need to worry about that. Kim Jung Mentally Ill can play with his nukes with no fear of meaningful backlash from the U.S. Their only worry is that our sock puppet might just bring their economies down along with the U.S. one.

[Jeb]

Reagan not only out played Gorby but he also was able to get Poland and the Pope to work together in defeating the soviets in that round of chess. But most of all, Reagan rebuilt our Military after Carter gutted it and demoraliozed it along with the country. Reagan reivigorated the American public from the malaise that Carter had create and he put us back on top as a ssole Superpower! This is where the DEms hate Reagan...they hated to see the "mutually assured Detruction" treaty go away! They loved their Communist having all that power! They supportedqs the Communist in Cuba, Elsalvado, Nicruaqa, Panama and Hati! Do a nexus search and then get a barf bag! Jeb

[MYCAR47562]

so im guessing the explosion went ok.... why havent i heard about this till now

[gtrman66]

Dude, Korea is getting freaky crazy. We should get our troops out of dodge. There is not a single soldier that can stand tall in the face of a nuclear warhead heading their way.

[Remphoto]

Maybe time for a little preemptive nuclear Hiroshima of our own.:) Well, I can dream, can't I?

[TaxmanHog]

Personally I agree with a preemptive strike but that's unlikely with the current administration.

What we are left with is a need to be aware & swift action to lob a load their way, it would be too late for those in harms way, but we will not let them go beyond the first strike.

[Jeb]

We may preemptively kiss that arse!:rofl

[MYCAR47562]

Jeb Is Right

[TaxmanHog]

This evenings news indicates tensions are growing, the SK army alert status has risen.
The Administration indicates that getting troops from Iraq or Afghanistan or other points may take some time if full scale ground incursions are attempted by NK.

NUKE EM:gun:

[right$pecial]

I hate to say nuke em, but we all know how bloody things get in jungle warfare. Even if good ol' "I'm so wronly" Kim didn't nuke our troops we simply do not have enough without a draft and the American public doesn't have the stomach for those casualties or the balls for a draft. I wonder how nervous Japan is? We could just encourage them to reinstate the early twentieth century rising sun on their asses.

[MYCAR47562]

I hate to say nuke em, but we all know how bloody things get in jungle warfare. Even if good ol' "I'm so wronly" Kim didn't nuke our troops we simply do not have enough without a draft and the American public doesn't have the stomach for those casualties or the balls for a draft. I wonder how nervous Japan is? We could just encourage them to reinstate the early twentieth century rising sun on their asses.

i say we just draft people with hunting liecenses give them 1000 rounds of there choice of ammo and send them out into those wood's... problem solved

[Jeb]

Nukem!!

[cajun]

That's all that little sawed off communist understands is force. I agree with with Jeb, nuke his ass. This would also send a strong message to Iran and Venesuala. But thats just wishfull thinking. We'll have to wait and see what the appeaser comes up with.

[Remphoto]

China could shut them down in a minute as N.K. gets most of its energy from them. Wonder why they don't?

[Jeb]

Let me preach on it!! Clinton though Bernie Schwatz of Loreal Aerospace sold the Chicoms the guidance sytem and even showed them how to get an ICBM to work and the CHicoms gave the technology to their Commie cousins! If you recall we controlled the tiny little chip that allowed the ICBM to work and the Chicoms could not get past a failed launch...it kept crashing back to earth until the CHinese through Mr. Charlie Tree funneled millions through straw donors and Clinton allowed Loreal to contract with the Chicoms and today several more countries have what Madeline Albright wanted...a return to mutual self-destruction!

[MYCAR47562]

I Wonder If Obama Would Retaliate If We Were Nuked? Or Would He Just Act Pissed?

[gtrman66]

I think he would wipe a tear from his eye (fake of course) and call for a world group hug.

[MYCAR47562]

i kinda think he would do the same

[synseer]

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/mrz053109dAPR20090604050610.jpg