Somali Pirates

["shazbat"]

First I salute the Captain and Crew of the Maersk Alabama.
Second I hope we rescue the Captain safely.
Third, what the fudge does the shipping world intend to do about this?

[The G]

The whole world should have their Navy's in this area and sink everyone of the pirates and their boats. This problem has been going on for while now and I don't understand the ships aren't armed.

[MYCAR47562]

The whole world should have their Navy's in this area and sink everyone of the pirates and their boats. This problem has been going on for while now and I don't understand the ships aren't armed.

my guess would be goverment pressure to remain unarmed, interpol is probally trying to track them down.

i would be armed if i was them though.

we should have our ship's there to end this quick see them kill them no question's asked

[nelson]

Why we are not simply and intolerantly destroying known pirate ships is beyond me. If we do this a few times, we'll never hear from pirates again.

Afraid of how the world might see us? LOL

[gtrman66]

Turn Somalia into a sea of glass.

I will not forget nor forgive our soldiers bodies being dragged through their streets. Clinton should have been prosecuted for that crime being left unanswered.

[TaxmanHog]

First I salute the Captain and Crew of the Maersk Alabama.
Second I hope we rescue the Captain safely.
Third, what the fudge does the shipping world intend to do about this?

Mercenary Naval Escorts???? :rofl


Anybody got a frigate I could lease out to a enterprising team of Naval & Marine retirees. :gun:

[TaxmanHog]

~~~~ Blackwater~~~~

[TaxmanHog]

Why we are not simply and intolerantly destroying known pirate ships is beyond me. If we do this a few times, we'll never hear from pirates again.

Afraid of how the world might see us? LOL

Our foreign policy for the next 3 years & 10 months :coffee

[MYCAR47562]

Blackwater No Longer Exists They Go By A Differnt Name

[right$pecial]

I was actually joking about starting up a Blackwaterish racket for the high seas. Imagine what a few well trained mercs could do with some high powered rifles. They could take out the pirates before they even got to the ship. A well placed shot to the pirate's engine block and they are boned.


I also can't believe that we are negotiating with these people. Kill them.

["shazbat"]

Why we are not simply and intolerantly destroying known pirate ships is beyond me. If we do this a few times, we'll never hear from pirates again.

Afraid of how the world might see us? LOL

That's what SEAL's are for. :gun:
Actually arming of commercial ships is a diplomatic nightmare. The problem technically is how to tell the difference between any two armed vessels flying a particular countries flag when you try and say one is military and one is commercial.
The entry/exit detail complications are beyond belief. Many countries would not allow you into their ports.
Then there comes the capability of the crew, many of which are not rocket scientists on most cargo vessels.
Small contingents of marine troops aboard may be a way.

[nelson]

Right now the pirates are gathering, bringing other ships with hostages:

Pirate ships converge on US hostage at sea
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20090410/D97FIQ001.html

Maybe we do need to send in SEAL teams to recover hostages.

Then we ought to blow them all out of the water. If the pirates are coming from Somalia, we ought to leave the coast of Somalia a barren wasteland full of shells and corpses. Voila - no more pirates for generations.

This is getting ridiculous. We've cleared the seas of pirates before, with brute strength. We still have the strength. But I guess we're too soft to handle business.

[Max]

Right now the pirates are gathering, bringing other ships with hostages:




Should make for a decent turkey shoot, shame is were spineless. The pirates will probably win what ever they like and in the end well get nothing in return.

[The G]

and if we push it, we might end up with a dead captain.

[right$pecial]

That's right the passive approach always works. It is rather frightening that we're now viewed as so weak that lowly pirates are attacking our ships without fear.

[The G]

That's right the passive approach always works. It is rather frightening that we're now viewed as so weak that lowly pirates are attacking our ships without fear.ya right

[gtrman66]

And now they have another one...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/ap_on_re_af/piracy

NAIROBI, Kenya – The head of a Kenyan seafarers' program said Saturday that Somali pirates had hijacked an American-owned tugboat with 16 crew in the Gulf of Aden.

We should sink everything that floats along the coast of Somalia.

Has the "passive" view ever worked? Not likely. Send in the Seals.

[TaxmanHog]

The 2nd in command, currently bringing the ship into port, is a local boy!

Thursday afternoon while I was out for a ride in the next town, I passed by an ordinary residence with a gaggle of media types all about, my first thought was another drug bust, but in the news that evening & newspaper on Friday, turns out it's Shane Murphy's family home I rode by.

I hate the idea that the captain may loose his life, but we need to take action to set some precedence that the USA will not stand for our Flagged commercial or private; Motor & Sailing vessel's from being taken by pirates.

[nelson]

The pirates have stated, "We are not afraid of the Americans." And why would they be? It is clear to everyone in the world now that our leadership has a weak backbone and lacks the experience to react swiftly.

He has silently stared at the headlights long enough, but it's time for Obama to step in. Make a direct appeal to the Somalis. They must let all hostages from all countries go, and return to their shores. If they do so, they will live.

If they refuse to cooperate, come down hard. That's how you eliminate this terrorism. Make them fear us. Kill them all. Sink their ships, and use air strikes to obliterate their training camps. Do not give them warning first (so they can escape). Do not provide criminal trials. Cripple them for a long, long time. We have the ability to do this, and it is the correct move to ensure the safety of future peaceful vessels.

[Freethinker]

I don't understand why a Seal Team hasn't already killed all the pirates and removed the captain.

He tried to swim away, and they caught him again. Why weren't our seals in the water, circling like sharks in shifts waiting to pull the captain down with a buddy breathe system when he hit the water swimming? Once clear, there is no reason not to lob grenades into that boat and call it a day.

It's a sad day when the FRENCH fight, and America stands by with a thumb up our ass.

[The G]

I guess we should go in there like John Wayne guns a blazing and get the captain shot.


Boy we got some smart ones around here :)

[gtrman66]

No we go in strategically with a team of Navy Seals. They train for this stuff.

[nelson]

Four days in and the US president hasn't said a peep. Those pesky Somali pirates are such an annoyance for him. I mean really, here he is trying to bring socialism to the USA, and North Korea and Somali Islamists have to get in the way.

Pirates pose annoying distraction for Obama - Reuters
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE5385JR20090409

Meanwhile, our secretary of state, appointed by Obama, doesn't take this too seriously herself. In fact, she considers the whole issue of piracy to be humorous, and she doesn't really have a clue about it, as you can see in this video:

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Maybe these Islamists haven't contributed enough to her campaign recovery fund.

By the way, our impartial media hasn't said anything about the fact that these are Islamic pirates demanding ransom to contribute (http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/2009/04/025623print.html) to the global Jihad. Our media is so impartial and considerate! After all, we wouldn't want to offend the religion of peace.

G, my friend, when your government doesn't have a clue nor a plan, and your press is concealing the real story, then yes, you get military strategies from shmucks on the forums. Demand the hostages back. If they don't comply, send in the seals. Then wipe out the pirates. All of them.

[The G]

Ya that John Wayne crap got us in Iraq. Its nice to have a back bone but a hell of a lot better if you have a brain to go with it. :)




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[The G]

Talk to the parents of the 4000 + lost soldiers about the last administration back bone.

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[nelson]

Its nice to have a back bone but a hell of a lot better if you have a brain to go with it.

The whole world should have their Navy's in this area and sink everyone of the pirates and their boats.

:rolleyes:

When all else fails, call other people stupid. Then blame George Bush.

[TaxmanHog]

Third, what the fudge does the shipping world intend to do about this?

The host countries should be providing Coast Guard services to ensure some minimal level of security as a guest is transiting through, if not the have abrogated their responsibilities and accept risk for what might happen to their citizens attempting to execute sea-way robbery & extortion.

In absence of that, the sea faring industry should hire on crew capable & willing to defend the ship when it is passing through high risk zones.

Lloyd's of London & other maritime insurers will charge more based on the risk factors involved, or less if you think about it for a minute. It's a balance of risk. :gun:

[The G]

:rolleyes:

When all else fails, call other people stupid. Then blame George Bush.

You seemed to have missed this one.

and if we push it, we might end up with a dead captain.


:rolleyes:

The truth is some times hard to swallowed but its good to see some are staying the course. :)

[nelson]

Ship Captain Rescued From Somali Pirates
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514719,00.html

[gtrman66]

Dang Nelson, you beat me to it.

Congrats to the US Navy!!!!

That captain rocks... 2 escapes!

Now take out every harbor along their coast and fire on every little piece of crap that doesn't throw down his AK. :gun:

[Remphoto]

Arhgg....hang em high matey !

[nelson]

Congrats to the US Navy!!!!

That captain rocks... 2 escapes!

Yea!! Our Navy is awesome!

Captain Richard Phillips gave himself up to save his crew, then escaped.

What a great story, and a great captain.

Now take out every harbor along their coast and fire on every little piece of crap that doesn't throw down his AK. :gun:

Agree!! Make them afraid of the Americans so this won't happen again!

[Freethinker]

Ship Captain Rescued From Somali Pirates
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,514719,00.html

Dang Nelson, you beat me to it.

Congrats to the US Navy!!!!

That captain rocks... 2 escapes!

Now take out every harbor along their coast and fire on every little piece of crap that doesn't throw down his AK. :gun:

Sure as hell didn't talk them down. I must give Obama Credit for giving the order to sign the order for the firing solution. Took long enough, but he came to the right solution. Thanks to our Navy. Haze Grey and Underway. Always ready. Nice work Gents.

[nelson]

This is a wonderful outcome for Captain Phillips. It's a blessing on Easter Sunday. We killed Islamic terrorists... and won.

Now the surviving Somali pirate "could face life in a US prison."

Somali pirate in custody, could face life sentence
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090412/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_piracy_legal

"The U.S. is treating the matter as a criminal case because officials have found no direct ties between East African pirates and terror groups."

Should we be treating this Islamic terrorist as a criminal?

Is there really no connection between Islamic terror groups waging Jihad, and Islamic terrorism off the coast of Somalia, demanding money for Jihad?

Now that Captain Phillips is safe, should we now fold up and go home?

How do we make sure this won't happen again?

Do we rely on UN resolutions, which prevent direct engagement (like the kind that saved Phillips' life), and empower terrorists?

[The G]

Outstanding :D

Now who was that pissing and moaning that it couldn't be done ?

[Freethinker]

Outstanding :D

Now who was that pissing and moaning that it couldn't be done ?

No one was saying it "Couldn't be done." We were questioning if the Obama had the fortitude to pull the trigger. Praise Allah he did. :rolleyes:

[Remphoto]

No one was saying it "Couldn't be done." We were questioning if the Obama had the fortitude to pull the trigger. Praise Allah he did. :rolleyes:

I was ready to give credit to BO,too, but then I heard Fox News also making positive comments about BO's role in this situation. Being as how G and TT claim that Fox lies, then I guess their nice comments about BO were just
lies. :D

[Freethinker]

I guess we should go in there like John Wayne guns a blazing and get the captain shot.


Boy we got some smart ones around here :)

For the record, This sounds like EXACTLY what they did. ;)

["shazbat"]

I think the Navy were working on a plan from the beginning and that Obama personally had nothing to do with it. Simple recue mission of one of our own, the old "in and out".
Regardless, Great job!

[The G]

For the record, This sounds like EXACTLY what they did. ;)But with a plan :deal: :)

[Remphoto]

Not sure why prez should be involved in a decision to shoot...micromanagement or glory hog?

[The G]

Not sure why prez should be involved in a decision to shoot...micromanagement or glory hog?

Well some where wondering why he hadn't said anything about the captain. Its seems you can't make everyone happy and some will never be. :)

[gtrman66]

Not sure why prez should be involved in a decision to shoot...micromanagement or glory hog?

I kind of see this one. Firing on the pirates had the "slight" potential of making the US look like "bullies". I know, it is stupid, but that seems to be the way the world thinks. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say he was willing to take the blame or the glory depending on how the op went.

[MYCAR47562]

wow our goverment must really suck if it took them 4 days to figure out how to go in and shoot 3 guy's subdue another and rescue a hostage.

if im ever taken hostage tell isreal i am now part of their country and want their help.

[Remphoto]

It just seemed odd that on a daily basis our law enforcement and soldiers in the field are able to makes the call to take out gunmen. In this case the Commander and Chief was credited with making the call, which should have been a no-brainer (no pun intended). I do understand this "crisis" had the ability to upset the UN, cause an international incident, etc. In fact I heard some expert pontificating that we have now upped the violence factor and these acts of piracy may become more violent. However it happened, I am glad the hostage is free and 3 of the gunmen are dead (wish it had been 4). And G, I give credit to BO for not standing in the way and showing he has at least some backbone with thugs.

[Freethinker]

But with a plan :deal: :)

The plan was "Shoot them dead and rescue the American."

Pretty simple really. My 10 year old could make a 35m shot in a kill zone.

[MYCAR47562]

I Had A One Shot One Kill At 200 Yards With A Pump Gun Once, Oh And I Didn't Have Any Sort Of Optic

[The G]

It just seemed odd that on a daily basis our law enforcement and soldiers in the field are able to makes the call to take out gunmen. In this case the Commander and Chief was credited with making the call, which should have been a no-brainer (no pun intended). I do understand this "crisis" had the ability to upset the UN, cause an international incident, etc. In fact I heard some expert pontificating that we have now upped the violence factor and these acts of piracy may become more violent. However it happened, I am glad the hostage is free and 3 of the gunmen are dead (wish it had been 4). And G, I give credit to BO for not standing in the way and showing he has at least some backbone with thugs.

Thanks Bro

[Oriondk]

The plan was "Shoot them dead and rescue the American."

Pretty simple really. My 10 year old could make a 35m shot in a kill zone.

The problem was they're on a moving ship shooting at a smaller bobbing boat and have to shoot all three at the same time. The life boat is covered so they had to shoot through the windows and wait for all three to be visisble at the same time. Not as easy as shooting at paper targets. They

[Freethinker]

The problem was they're on a moving ship shooting at a smaller bobbing boat and have to shoot all three at the same time. The life boat is covered so they had to shoot through the windows and wait for all three to be visisble at the same time. Not as easy as shooting at paper targets. They

No doubt about it. That's the difference between the "plan" and the "execution of the plan." I have seen some infra red scopes that really don't care about the thin "cover" of a lifeboat. Body heat is body heat, and the guns are distinguishable as well in infra red conditions. I'm not trying to belittle the great job they did. It truly is a fantastic job. They had the right tools, training and ability to do exactly what was needed when they were allowed to do it.

[nelson]

Not sure why prez should be involved in a decision to shoot...micromanagement or glory hog?The press is playing up Obama's involvement. Our president doesn't issue the order to shoot. The military gets in position and reports to the president, "Sir, our SEAL snipers have all terrorists in their sights, we believe the captain is in imminent danger, and we need your permission to make our move at the next opportunity." His authorization covers them in case something goes wrong.

Then guns blazed and we saved our man. Of course we use force, it's the only option when you're dealing with terrorists. Thank goodness Obama realizes this, I gladly give him that much credit. But I don't give him credit for the positive outcome - that goes to the Navy and Captain Richard Phillips.

[MYCAR47562]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/14/rollins.rescue/index.html

["shazbat"]

Then guns blazed and we saved our man. Of course we use force, it's the only option when you're dealing with terrorists. Thank goodness Obama realizes this, I gladly give him that much credit. But I don't give him credit for the positive outcome - that goes to the Navy and Captain Richard Phillips.

I reality to call them terrorists gives them too great a status, they're common criminals and high seas pirates and should be treated as such.
Hang them and feed them to the fishes.

["shazbat"]

Someone sent me the following so I'll not vouche for it's truth, but.....


"Having spoken to some SEAL pals here in Virginia Beach yesterday and asking why this thing dragged out for 4 days, I got the following:

1. BHO wouldn't authorize the DEVGRU/NSWC SEAL teams to the scene for 36 hours going against OSC (on scene commander) recommendation.
2. Once they arrived, BHO imposed restrictions on their ROE that they couldn't do anything unless the hostage's life was in "imminent" danger
3. The first time the hostage jumped, the SEALS had the raggies all sighted in, but could not fire due to ROE restriction
4. When the navy RIB came under fire as it approached with supplies, no fire was returned due to ROE restrictions. As the raggies were shooting at the RIB, they were exposed and the SEALS had them all dialed in.
5. BHO specifically denied two rescue plans developed by the Bainbridge CPN and SEAL teams
6. Bainbridge CPN and SEAL team CDR finally decide they have the OpArea and OSC authority to solely determine risk to hostage. 4 hours later, 3 dead raggies
7. BHO immediately claims credit for his "daring and decisive" behaviour. As usual with him, it's BS.

So per our last email thread, I'm downgrading Oohbaby's performace to D-. Only reason it's not an F is that the hostage survived.

Read the following accurate account.

Philips’ first leap into the warm, dark water of the Indian Ocean hadn’t worked out as well. With the
Bainbridge in range and a rescue by his country’s Navy possible, Philips threw himself off of his
lifeboat prison, enabling Navy shooters onboard the destroyer a clear shot at his captors — and none was taken. I wondered why the Navy didn't take them out when he jumped from the lifeboat.

The guidance from National Command Authority — the president of the United States,
Barack Obama — had been clear: a peaceful solution was the only acceptable outcome to this standoff unless the hostage’s life was in clear, extreme danger.

The next day, a small Navy boat approaching the floating raft was fired on by the Somali pirates — and again no fire was returned and no pirates killed. This was again due to the cautious stance assumed by Navy personnel thanks to the combination of a lack of clear guidance from Washington and a mandate from the commander in chief’s staff not to act until Obama, a man with no background of dealing with such issues and no track record of decisiveness, decided that any outcome other than a “peaceful solution” would be acceptable.

After taking fire from the Somali kidnappers again Saturday night, the onscenecommander decided
he’d had enough.

Keeping his authority to act in the case of a clear and present danger to the hostage’s
life and having heard nothing from Washington since yet another request to mount a rescue operation had been denied the day before, the Navy officer — unnamed in all media reports to date — decided the AK47 one captor had leveled at Philips’ back was a threat to the hostage’s life and ordered the NSWC team to take their shots.

Three rounds downrange later, all three brigands became enemy KIA and Philips was safe.

There is upside, downside, and spinside to the series of events over the last week that culminated in yesterday’s dramatic rescue of an American hostage.

Almost immediately following word of the rescue, the Obama administration and its supporters claimed victory against pirates in the Indian Ocean and [1] declared that the dramatic end to the standoff put paid to questions of the inexperienced president’s toughness and decisiveness.

Despite the Obama administration’s (and its sycophants’) attempt to spin yesterday’s success as a result of bold, decisive leadership by the inexperienced president, the reality is nothing of the sort.
What should have been a standoff lasting only hours — as long as it took the USS Bainbridge and its team of NSWC operators to steam to the location — became an embarrassing four day and counting standoff between a ragtag handful of criminals with rifles and a U.S. Navy warship."

[gtrman66]

That certainly seems more plausible than the whitehouse spin.

[The G]

I think its BS, nothing to back it up, hear say :D

[MYCAR47562]

While It Sounds Right I Doubt It For One Reason, The Seal's Wouldn't Have Said Anything About The Mission.

[gtrman66]

While It Sounds Right I Doubt It For One Reason, The Seal's Wouldn't Have Said Anything About The Mission.

I tend to agree, but this mission was carried out on a warship full of sailors who saw what happened, worked the communications... this was a SEAL op, but it wasn't covert.

[MYCAR47562]

I tend to agree, but this mission was carried out on a warship full of sailors who saw what happened, worked the communications... this was a SEAL op, but it wasn't covert.

GOOD POINT

[The G]

I tend to agree, but this mission was carried out on a warship full of sailors who saw what happened, worked the communications... this was a SEAL op, but it wasn't covert.

and spec ops is telling the deck apes what their mission is about....... not

[MYCAR47562]

and spec ops is telling the deck apes what their mission is about....... not

well it wasn't a secret, but who know's we sure as hell wont

[The G]

But it worked and those that say BO did have the balls to get the job done can piss up a rope. :)

[MYCAR47562]

well either way we got our guy back and sometime's we need to allow people some cooling down time before we start shooting