American Clean Energy And Security Act

[nelson]

It defines the future of energy use in America.http://media.economist.com/images/20090523/CUS495.gif

Any business that emits carbon dioxide will have to buy permits from the federal government in order to do so. But new taxes are difficult to introduce openly, so for the first few years, most of the permits would be given away (to select businesses the government chooses); this prevents the bill from generating an immediate uproar. Around 2030, the give-away would end, and from this point on, all carbon permits will be sold at auction.

Its a massive bill that touches nearly every part of life in America. Plug-in electric vehicles will be mandated. All utility companies will be required to buy energy from renewable sources. New building codes will require buildings to be constructed differently. Prior energy laws will be amended and expanded. Harvesting wood and timber will be even more tightly regulated than it is now. International agencies will be granted new power in creating standards by which US citizens must adhere. Adapting to "climate change" will become an official agenda of our government; federal and state agencies will create new rules to enforce (i.e. force) our adaptation. This goes on, and on, and on...

The bill is not law yet. Republicans are sure to challenge and amend it in the Senate. But some form of this will be ushered through, especially while supporters believe they still have enough political capital and momentum. Supporters know it must be pushed through quickly because, as shown in the graph to the right, American voters are growing less convinced that "climate change" is caused by human activities.

What else does this bill do? Tell me - I haven't read it all - it's over 900 pages!

Industries are Grappling With New Bill on Climate 5/21/09
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124286407955141345.html
The "American Clean Energy and Security Act" is one of the most ambitious efforts to re-engineer American social and economic behavior in decades, presenting risks and opportunities for a wide array of businesses from Silicon Valley to the coal fields of the Appalachians.

Handouts and loopholes 5/21/09
http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displaystory.cfm?story_id=13705417&fsrc=rss
AL GORE calls it “one of the most important pieces of legislation ever introduced in Congress.”

Text of H.R.2454 as Introduced in House
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2454/text
A BILL: To create clean energy jobs, achieve energy independence, reduce global warming pollution and transition to a clean energy economy.

[right$pecial]

Something tells me you're not the only one who didn't read the whole bill.;)

[MYCAR47562]

He Deffinatly Wont Be The Last

[Jeb]

This is the 500 LB Gorilla in the room and we must defeat it and start by telling everyone you encounter about the hoax. If we can hold them at bay for a couple of more harsh winters that graph will change! The ice at Antartica has regained itself and increased in two winters and many true climate scientist believe thst solar activity on the Sun has dimished of late as it did before each of the last mini-ice ages! We should be preparing for colder winters!

[MYCAR47562]

that is why the term "global warming" is disapearing and "climate change" is appearing.... anyone who want's to open their eye's would see this and laugh

[nelson]

Pelosi and her Democrat cohorts are pushing this bill for a vote as soon as possible. As of this moment it doesn't look like they have enough votes (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/06/24/house-democrats-unsure-of-global-warming-bills-passage/) to get it passed. But the Democrats are bribing, earmarking, doing whatever it takes.

They're very sneaky. This bill would change America forever, tremendously increasing the cost of energy for all Americans, severely restricting our GDP, therefore putting us at a competitive disadvantage in relation to the rest of the world, giving incredible power to the federal government -- almost total control over our energy usage -- by empowering as a legal entity the carbon exchange that Obama himself worked for. This is so big and corrupt that the mainstream media should have it plastered all over the place. They don't because they're on board. And now the death of Michael Jackson is providing more cover.

Seems like no one has even read the bill. A 309 page amendment was filed this morning at 3AM, making the total bill over 1400 pages. If anything like this ever passes, I will have lost a great deal of faith in America. The summary and legislative updates are available here:

American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-2454

Americans should know that those Members who vote for this climate bill are voting for what is likely to be the biggest tax in American history.

During the brief few days in which the bill was debated in the House Energy Committee, Republicans offered three amendments: one to suspend the program if gas hit $5 a gallon; one to suspend the program if electricity prices rose 10% over 2009; and one to suspend the program if unemployment rates hit 15%. Democrats defeated all of them.

The Cap and Tax Fiction
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124588837560750781.htmlAn economy-wide tax under the cover of saving the environment is the best political moneymaker since the income tax.

Who Pays for Cap and Trade?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123655590609066021.html#articleTabs%3Darticle

[Remphoto]

Algore is invested in a company that will benefit from cap and trade. Go figure.

[Jeb]

Not just Algore...also Pelosi, Markey and GE stands to make 100s of millions on this deal! Algore stands, based on his current investments in a software company and companies that sell carbon credits to offset carbon emissions, to be the first billionaire off Global Warming. Let us not forget that Spain has adopted this program and since then has lost many, many jobs...18% unemployment!:eek:

[nelson]

If anything like this ever passes, I will have lost a great deal of faith in America. I can't believe this made it through the House. If it goes through the Senate... not sure what I'll do. Guys I may move to Ukraine.

8 GOP Votes Paved Way for Climate Bill
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/climate_bill_republicans/2009/06/28/229467.html

[Jeb]

Ukraine! Do they like Americans there? I can't believe it either, I mean are we really so arrogant to believe we can change something as big as the environment for good or for bad!

[MYCAR47562]

with money they would like anyone

[gtrman66]

The Sunday morning talking heads seem to pretty much be in agreement that this thing doesn't have a chance in the Senate. Here's hoping.

[MYCAR47562]

Obama Sure Is Pushing It Hard So Mayb E This Will Show How Much Push He Has With The Rest Of The Goverment

[nelson]

with money they would like anyoneTrue, especially the women... since the men there are dirt pour.

The Sunday morning talking heads seem to pretty much be in agreement that this thing doesn't have a chance in the Senate. Here's hoping.I hope they are right. Here's what I think about this bill..

[Remphoto]

If this poorly conceived, poorly reviewed bill gets passed I will lose whatever faith I still have in our Congress (which admittedly isn't much). The only good news is this might finally be the Dem's death bell once middle america realizes that their utility costs are skyrocketing and jobs lost based on this knee-jerk reaction to an unproven science.

[synseer]

Here's another article on the topic...big joke on us!

"Of all the proposals in President Barack Obama's breathtakingly ambitious agenda to foster long-term economic decline, by far the biggest is the Waxman-Markey energy-rationing bill, which the House of Representatives passed with the narrowest of majorities late Friday evening. This bill by House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry Waxman (D-Beverly Hills) and Representative Edward Markey (D-Mass.) is more damaging than the $787 billion stimulus, the proposed huge increases in federal spending and corresponding increases in the national debt, the takeover of GM and Chrysler, and the proposed tax hikes on the wealthy - combined."

http://townhall.com/columnists/MyronEbell/2009/06/29/waxman-markey_is_hilarious,_but_the_joke_is_on_us

[MYCAR47562]

joke is definitely on us

[synseer]

Anyone hear about his already???

"A top Republican senator has ordered an investigation into the Environmental Protection Agency's alleged suppression of a report that questioned the science behind global warming.

The 98-page report, co-authored by EPA analyst Alan Carlin, pushed back on the prospect of regulating gases like carbon dioxide as a way to reduce global warming. Carlin's report argued that the information the EPA was using was out of date, and that even as atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have increased, global temperatures have declined."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/29/gop-senator-calls-inquiry-supressed-climate-change-report/

[right$pecial]

Anyone hear about his already???

"A top Republican senator has ordered an investigation into the Environmental Protection Agency's alleged suppression of a report that questioned the science behind global warming.

The 98-page report, co-authored by EPA analyst Alan Carlin, pushed back on the prospect of regulating gases like carbon dioxide as a way to reduce global warming. Carlin's report argued that the information the EPA was using was out of date, and that even as atmospheric carbon dioxide levels have increased, global temperatures have declined."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/06/29/gop-senator-calls-inquiry-supressed-climate-change-report/

They do this sort of thing all the time. Someone I knew, who doesn't want to be mentioned, once told me that a lot of meteorologist used to question global warming, but doing so in today's environment is a career killer...hence not wanting to be mentioned. Also, one of the reasons I think the whole thing is a bunch of crap. It is entirely too obvious what kind of a money making machine this thing has become and our consumer "Green" products are clearly the tip of the iceberg. Cap and Trade will make most of us poorer, but for those in the right places it will make them very, very rich. Unfortunately, those A holes are the ones in power at the moment and are going for all their worth.

[synseer]

This article is a pretty good read...provides a breakdown of some of the other verbage included in the bill that may not be so well known or distributed.

"There is still time to stop the legislative monstrosity known as the Waxman-Markey cap-and-trade bill before the Senate approves it. But for that to happen, Americans must learn how bad it is.

Let's briefly review the basics: The bill is ostensibly designed to curb man-caused carbon emissions (presumably without outlawing breathing) to retard global warming.

Even if we accept, for purposes of argument, the assumptions of radical, hysterical leftist environmentalists that man-caused global warming will destroy the planet if evil, rich capitalists don't radically curtail their own contributions to the catastrophe, Waxman-Markey would not prevent this Armageddon."

http://townhall.com/columnists/DavidLimbaugh/2009/07/10/cap-and-tax_government_vs_america

http://media.townhall.com/Townhall/Car/b/7-10-09MaximumRGBjpg20090710014513.jpg

[MYCAR47562]

it seems that the cap and trade argument has quitened up a good bit

[gtrman66]

They see that health care and cap & trade is tanking their numbers... next stratedgy? Blame Cheney. Smoke & mirrors time.

[Remphoto]

They see that health care and cap & trade is tanking their numbers... next stratedgy? Blame Cheney. Smoke & mirrors time.
Yep wag the dog. As smart as those idiots think they are they should have known the massive costs of those two programs and they would eventually be doa. Even his dem buddies in the Midwest won't allow coal to be taxed out of existence.

[synseer]

Apparently Barry is not paying attention to Spain and their experiences with cap-and-trade and going green eco-friendly. If he was he'd know its not a sustainable course of action. Paul Driessen explains some of the finer nuances that the great one in office is obviously oblivious to...well perhaps he's not oblivious to it...maybe he's doing it on purpose in order to cause pain and hardship to the american people. Anyway...read on.

"Spain did increase its installed wind power capacity to 10% of its total electricity, although actual energy output is 10-30% of this, or 1-3% of total electricity, because the wind is intermittent and unreliable. However, Spain spent $3.7 billion on the program in 2007 alone, according to King Juan Carlos University economics professor Gabriel Calzada.

It created 50,000 jobs, mostly installing wind turbines, at $73,000 in annual subsidies per job – and 10,000 of these jobs have already been terminated. Spain’s economic problems have slashed the subsidies and put the remaining 40,000 jobs at risk."

http://townhall.com/columnists/PaulDriessen/2009/07/22/forests_of_concrete_and_steel

[MYCAR47562]

but it is imparative that we hurry and create these jobs

[nelson]

Apparently Barry is not paying attention to Spain and their experiences with cap-and-trade and going green eco-friendly.

http://townhall.com/columnists/PaulDriessen/2009/07/22/forests_of_concrete_and_steel

Holy cow, that is a depressing scenario. And here we are about to follow them right into the hole with our "Waxman-Markey" bill.

Even worse for global warming alarmists and renewable energy advocates and rent seekers, global warming patterns have reversed during the past decade. Satellite data reveal that the planet is cooling, despite steadily rising carbon dioxide levels, and summertime low temperature records are being broken all over the United States.

Amazing that the above is so blatantly beside the point in the minds of our environmentalists and government, who see global warming as their opportunity to impose, and to grow in strength.

We need more Ian Plimers:


Global warming is the new religion of First World urban elites
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Global+warming+religion+First+World+urban+elites/1835847/story.html

Plimer presents the proposition that anthropogenic global warming is little more than a con trick on the public perpetrated by fundamentalist environmentalists and callously adopted by politicians and government officials who love nothing more than an issue that causes public anxiety.

While environmentalists for the most part draw their conclusions based on climate information gathered in the last few hundred years, geologists, Plimer says, [they ignore the] time frame stretching back many thousands of millions of years.

The dynamic and changing character of the Earth's climate has always been known by geologists. These changes are cyclical and random, he says. They are not caused or significantly affected by human behaviour.

Polar ice, for example, has been present on the Earth for less than 20 per cent of geological time, Plimer writes. Plus, animal extinctions are an entirely normal part of the Earth's evolution.

Plimer gets especially upset about carbon dioxide, its role in Earth's daily life and the supposed effects on climate of human manufacture of the gas. He says atmospheric carbon dioxide is now at the lowest levels it has been for 500 million years, and that atmospheric carbon dioxide is only 0.001 per cent of the total amount of the chemical held in the oceans, surface rocks, soils and various life forms. Indeed, Plimer says carbon dioxide is not a pollutant, but a plant food. Plants eat carbon dioxide and excrete oxygen.

Yet, we do have the traditional media propaganda to fight. Just read the Washington Post gushing over the new bill, while saying it's too little, too late!

Waxman-Markey: Action on climate change is overdue. But is this the best we can hope for?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/25/AR2009062503469.html

After eight years of inaction on global warming, the will to legislate should be celebrated. So should the stated goal: limiting pollution by capping greenhouse gas emissions and putting a price on carbon.

This complex system has some theoretical advantages over our preferred alternative -- a straightforward, easily understood carbon tax -- but it could be vulnerable to manipulation that would compromise its effect.

"could be vulnerable to manipulation" ... talk about naive, ignorant buffoonery! The whole system - regulating the ability to use energy - is pure manipulation, and if implemented it will be further manipulated by those in power, seeking to stroke their own power.

This bill is the biggest mistake America can possibly make, at the worst possible time. It's straight out of Ayn Rand, and reeks of Marx's The Communist Manifesto. But our media is applauding it.